Double Standards and Implicit Bias in Boxing

[sicko]

OK BJS does have a very good Resume at 160 (Lee, Eubank, Ryder, O'Sullivan, Lemiuex, Monroe) that is not bad at all

That being said SKILLS is also and is actually a BIGGER Criteria for P4P even over Resume which is why IF I had a P4P Bud would still be very high on that P4P despite the Lack Of Quality Resume. Canelo gets the NOD for P4P because he is bring Skill, Resume and he is actually living out the Hypothetical of P4P and winning belts in divisions NOBODY ever thought he would fight in just a few years ago lets be honest

Can we just enjoy all these fighters? As for Bud, just get away from Arum as soon as you can and I think we will indeed get all those fights the fan wants him in.

[TernceBudCharlo]

You posted a lot of really ****** shyte on here but you actually believe that Pistol arguably better than any of the PBC welters? That's among the most truly ignorant posts I've ever read here. Arguably? Who making that argument? Nobody! Dumb even for you.

So when is that Crawford/Pac fight happening?

Danny Garcia did duck the **** out of Postol at 140

[Eff Pandas]

How come all I hear is that "Billy Ho is undefeated, he must be so great

I mean anyone saying that about BJS or anyone shouldn't be listened to. I'd argue you are more at fault for giving these guys the attention they don't deserve more than they are at fault for saying silly sh^t as they live for doing.

Records matter, but there are several things that come before a sexy record in the You're Great region.

[blowblow]

undefeated records are so overrated. ESPECIALLY IN THIS ERA!!!!

yeah right.. but undefeated record is nothing if you dodged all the threats in your career and just cherry pick. and still call yourself the TBE/ATG
someone will cry again if he read this.

[TernceBudCharlo]

I mean anyone saying that about BJS or anyone shouldn't be listened to. I'd argue you are more at fault for giving these guys the attention they don't deserve more than they are at fault for saying silly sh^t as they live for doing.

Records matter, but there are several things that come before a sexy record in the You're Great region.

These are the same people who call Terence Crawford a bum killer but ignore the fact that Billy Joe lost 5 rounds to Willie Monroe, struggled with many C level fighters, and almost lost to Lee and Eubanks. Or that Callum Smith got his ass beat by John Ryder. Or that Jacobs got brutally KOd by Pirog and then struggled to beat Sulecki. Or that GGG got a gift against Jacobs.

There is not a big difference between fighters like Postol, Gamboa, Indongo, and fighters like Billy Saunders and Callum Smith, but these people keep saying resume resume resume resume, Canelo's is the best ever and Bud's is the worst ever. It's hypocrisy and people need to examine their inner biases. I saw one guy even tried to say that Ortiz's win over Hooker was better than any opponent Bud ever beat and that Ryan Garcia's win over Luke Campbell better than any opponent Bud ever beat. The hate he gets is disgraceful, and it's not just a few people on this board, it's a lot of people.

[Eff Pandas]

These are the same people who call Terence Crawford a bum killer but ignore the fact that Billy Joe lost 5 rounds to Willie Monroe, struggled with many C level fighters, and almost lost to Lee and Eubanks. Or that Callum Smith got his ass beat by John Ryder. Or that Jacobs got brutally KOd by Pirog and then struggled to beat Sulecki. Or that GGG got a gift against Jacobs.

There is not a big difference between fighters like Postol, Gamboa, Indongo, and fighters like Billy Saunders and Callum Smith, but these people keep saying resume resume resume resume, Canelo's is the best ever and Bud's is the worst ever. It's hypocrisy and people need to examine their inner biases. I saw one guy even tried to say that Ortiz's win over Hooker was better than any opponent Bud ever beat and that Ryan Garcia's win over Luke Campbell better than any opponent Bud ever beat. The hate he gets is disgraceful, and it's not just a few people on this board, it's a lot of people.

I don't give a fook about all that **** measuring fighters against each other. Its silly & serves no purpose.

But yea like I said a record means little in ones greatness in the ring. There have been a sh^t ton of guys who've not lost yet that hold little respect in boxing. Resume>Record. Skills>Record. Records are an easy way to give the impression of a high level guy, but most of us are smart enough to know better.

[Citizen Koba]

But you are not applying a double standard. The double standard is when you call Billy Hoe Saunders a great fighter but call Postol a bum.

Maybe you should address the specific posters that made that claim instead of just levelling the double standards accusation at the world in general.

Postol for instance is an extremely good fighter and is still (at 37 or whatever) giving the young guns at 140 as much as they can handle. Excellent win for Bud that has aged well. Yuri Gamboa was absolutely my favourite fighter for a time - thought he was near unbeatable until Bud got to him - although TBF some cracks had started to show by then with lifestyle and he was giving up a fair bit of size.

Saunders blows hot and cold - dudes got great natural talent but he's squandered it with a lack of dedication and mediocre opposition - personally I'd make the case given Postol's performances since that Viktor is every bit as proven and possibly moreso than Saunders and he's cetainly more consistent.

Indongo genuinely ain't very good however just real real awkward and with a weird unorthodox style and shape which gave more basic straight up and down fighters like Troyanovsky and Burns nightmares but was a simple puzzle to solve for craftsmen like Bud or Rougarou.


But then I'm a Crawford fan and I suspect you're aiming your posts at those who ain't.

[just the facts]

Danny Garcia did duck the **** out of Postol at 140

Do you realize how dumb that sounds? Garcia was more than willing to step in with better fighters than Postol. Danny moved up because he outgrew the division. At least be honest.

[TernceBudCharlo]

Do you realize how dumb that sounds? Garcia was more than willing to step in with better fighters than Postol. Danny moved up because he outgrew the division. At least be honest.

Really? Like who? After Mauricio Herrera took him to school I don't think anyone at 140 was afraid of Danny Garcia, but Danny Garcia sure was afraid of 140.

Danny Garcia knew he couldn't be a real champ at 140 or 147, so he just decided to sell his 0 to the highest bidder. Thurman was more money than Postol so he moved up to 147 and took his loss there.

[The Big Dunn]

How come all I hear is that "Billy Ho is undefeated, he must be so great, he is an UNDEFEATED CHAMPION, this makes him an amazing credential on a resume."

Viktor Postol was an undefeated champion. Yuriorkis Gamboa was an undefeated champion. Julius Indongo was an undefeated champion. Jeff Horn was an undefeated champion. Jose Benavidez was undefeated.

Yet all I hear is that these guys are bums.

How come a win over the very flat footed and very basic David Lemieux make BJS miles ahead of these champions???

You say that Terence Crawford resume is more like GGG resume than Canelo Alvarez. But what undefeated champions has GGG ever beaten???

The systematic double standard in boxing must stop.

I think you make some very fair points. Too often we judge a fighters resume based on where I guy is rather than where he was when they fought.

To knock the Postol or Indongo wins for Crawford after the fact is just BS.