How exactly do you "activate a mandatory?"

[Ray*]

This is total deflecting, no one said he was the “Mandatory” or he had to activate anything. But when you are the number 1 guy then you can ask the organisation to make you the mandatory and enforce your shot. None which Porter did or try to do. He was number 1 for a considerable amount of time and he didn’t show any interest via the WBO, now they have removed him, which is the right decision.

When some of us was saying he should enforce his high ranking, some of you PBC cultists were saying no, he should get Arum to pay him more money than what he would get via the WBO.

Well he gets nothing now. Hope he now makes that call to Crawford, but it looks like Ortiz would be doing what Porter didn’t want to do (Getting his own promoter to fund the fight).

[kushking]

Section 6 (C) of the WBO rules: “A classified boxer may request recognition as Mandatory Challenger in writing to the WBO on a form which contain substantially the provisions of the Application for Designation as Mandatory Contender contained on the WBO web site.”


I linked to the application Shawn Porter didn’t fill out. It only required a signature.

http://www.wboboxing.com/wp-content/..._Form-2007.pdf

How do you know he didn't already talk to the WBO or signed that? That form doesn't designate him mandatory,the committee has to vote on it at their discretion at own convenience (which we know never happened because they made Ortiz #1 after Porter had already started negotiations with Bud as per WBO rules. The rules don't say you can just fill that out & become mandatory,the WBO has to agree both sides to negotiate,then if both sides want it they mandate the mandatory,but if the champ doesn't negotiate the WBO is free to do what they did,which is also in the rules. (Essentially there is a dispute about networks,so they are designating Ortiz instead because Top Rank is obviously ok with him v Bud,the network has to not have a conflict if the champs under contract)

There's provisions in the rules that allow WBO to make it up as go along. And they have been because even if Porter didn't want it, they'd have already made the next guy in line mando if the holdup was merely porter signing that to activate mando.

Buds supposed to fight mando every 9 mos,its been twice that already.

[ShaneMosleySr]

I know he didn’t do it because the WBO would have announced a purse bid and Porter is only entitled to 25-percent of the pot.

How do you know he didn't already talk to the WBO or signed that? That form doesn't designate him mandatory,the committee has to vote on it at their discretion at own convenience (which we know never happened because they made Ortiz #1 after Porter had already started negotiations with Bud as per WBO rules. The rules don't say you can just fill that out & become mandatory,the WBO has to agree both sides to negotiate,then if both sides want it they mandate the mandatory,but if the champ doesn't negotiate the WBO is free to do what they did,which is also in the rules. (Essentially there is a dispute about networks,so they are designating Ortiz instead because Top Rank is obviously ok with him v Bud,the network has to not have a conflict if the champs under contract)

[kushking]

I know he didn’t do it because the WBO would have announced a purse bid and Porter is only entitled to 25-percent of the pot.

Once again, if it was merely Porters fault they would've still mandated bud vs next guy in line(as per rules every 9 mos)

[ShaneMosleySr]

The WBO named Shawn Porter it’s number one contender.

He did not apply for the mandatory position.

They moved on.

Thats the end of it.

It’s because Porter is going to fight Errol Spence again and his promoter will get him more than the 25-percent he’s entitled too against Crawford.

This is the most obvious thing ever. Danny Garcia did the exact same thing.

Bur enjoy your conspiracy theories that revolve around nothing.

Once again, if it was merely Porters fault they would've still mandated bud vs next guy in line(as per rules every 9 mos)

[kushking]

This is total deflecting, no one said he was the “Mandatory” or he had to activate anything. But when you are the number 1 guy then you can ask the organisation to make you the mandatory and enforce your shot. None which Porter did or try to do. He was number 1 for a considerable amount of time and he didn’t show any interest via the WBO, now they have removed him, which is the right decision.

When some of us was saying he should enforce his high ranking, some of you PBC cultists were saying no, he should get Arum to pay him more money than what he would get via the WBO.

Well he gets nothing now. Hope he now makes that call to Crawford, but it looks like Ortiz would be doing what Porter didn’t want to do (Getting his own promoter to fund the fight).

I genuinely think you & @ShanemoselySr are misinterpreting how you become mandatory.(all the rules work together,you can't just pick out 1 rule without taking into consideration the other rules that are far more arbitrary)

The WBO rules literally say that the process to becoming mandatory is the WBO 1st agrees to let both sides negotiate,then & only then if the champ is under contract & his network doesn't agree with opponent,the WBO is supposed to designate the next guy in line.

So by no fault of Porters own,he can still get screwed outta being mandatory. Ask Dillian Whyte about that. The rules literally state that as long as the network is ok with the next guy in line,they skip to the #2 as mando,& seemingly that's exactly what happened now that Ortiz has been designated#1.

[kushking]

The WBO named Shawn Porter it’s number one contender.

He did not apply for the mandatory position.

They moved on.

Thats the end of it.

It’s because Porter is going to fight Errol Spence again and his promoter will get him more than the 25-percent he’s entitled too against Crawford.

This is the most obvious thing ever. Danny Garcia did the exact same thing.

Bur enjoy your conspiracy theories that revolve around nothing.

These aren't conspiracy theories,these are facts in the same WBO rules you cherrypick from to suit your narrative. The champ is under contract,and as per wbo rules,he can object to Porter based on claiming espn doesn't want him,then the WBO moves on to next in line instead so long as hes considered worthy. You want to blame Porter & Pbc so you make up excuses like always Because Bud/espn doesn't want it

[Ray*]

I genuinely think you & @ShanemoselySr are misinterpreting how you become mandatory.(all the rules work together,you can't just pick out 1 rule without taking into consideration the other rules that are far more arbitrary)

The WBO rules literally say that the process to becoming mandatory is the WBO 1st agrees to let both sides negotiate,then & only then if the champ is under contract & his network doesn't agree with opponent,the WBO is supposed to designate the next guy in line.

So by no fault of Porters own,he can still get screwed outta being mandatory. Ask Dillian Whyte about that. The rules literally state that as long as the network is ok with the next guy in line,they skip to the #2 as mando,& seemingly that's exactly what happened now that Ortiz has been designated#1.

You obviously don’t know which organisation that you are talking about. Whyte was under the WBC whose rules are no rules (Committee decides everything)…. Hence why they used that rule to NOT mandate Whyte, even though he ASKED to be mandate.

Porter NEVER asked to be mandated, he sat at the number 1 position and didn’t do anything. He was trying to hold Top rank to ransom. The WBO saw that he isn’t bothered about his position, so they demoted him.


Hopefully Ortiz doesn’t do the same, because after some time they would demote him too…

[ShaneMosleySr]

You just claimed ESPN refused to air Terence Crawford-Shawn Porter on their network, based on no evidence, to excuse Shawn Porter for not signing a document and emailing it back to the WBO.

These aren't conspiracy theories,these are facts in the same WBO rules you cherrypick from to suit your narrative. The champ is under contract,and as per wbo rules,he can object to Porter based on claiming espn doesn't want him,then the WBO moves on to next in line instead so long as hes considered worthy. You want to blame Porter & Pbc so you make up excuses like always Because Bud/espn doesn't want it

[kushking]

You obviously don’t know which organisation that you are talking about. Whyte was under the WBC whose rules are no rules (Committee decides everything)…. Hence why they used that rule to NOT mandate Whyte, even though he ASKED to be mandate.

Porter NEVER asked to be mandated, he sat at the number 1 position and didn’t do anything. He was trying to hold Top rank to ransom. The WBO saw that he isn’t bothered about his position, so they demoted him.


Hopefully Ortiz doesn’t do the same, because after some time they would demote him too…

I figured you might pull the "it's a different org" card out,but I assumed you knew better than that.

WBO is FAR more corrupt than WBC on so many levels(& WBC is corrupt af obv.)

You are basing everything your saying on assumption. What I'm telling you is its literally laid out in WBO rules that mandatory gets designated different ways in different situations at boards discretion(as i said Porter might've already been designated mandatory behind closed doors & began negotiations as bomac said) (no different than WBC,but WBC actually tried making Canelo give ggg 45% for his gifted title. That shows the gull WBO has never shown Bud or Arum for that matter especially (its a known secret he pays bribes to Varcacel,& hes hes admitted in fed court to paying bribes also)

The 1st step to becoming Mandatory as laid out in WBO rules is : entering into negotiations,the rules say Porter cannot be "mandatory" until the WBO designates him mandatory (nowhere in this exact section does it say hes supposed to file that form & then he'll suddenly become mando, because as with all sanctioning orgs its at own discretion of the board entirely without question,& as I said he might've already did that but they told them to negotiate without saying anything publicly (again at wbo boards discretion which they use often)

If talks break down once WBO has already ordered Porter as mando; WBO gives a warning of a month or 2,& then orders purse bid for the then designated mandatory(as opposed to unofficially like he might've been). (The problem if you're Porter is in order to become Mandatory Bud whos a network contract fighter, has to agree to let him become"officially" Mandatory, Because the WBO rules allow Bud that right of refusal so long as hes willing to fight Ortiz instead (or whomever is the next in line at the time,whom is considered "worthy",but when the steps are listed in official rules they don't say anything about filling out that form at that time,because the WBO only announces anything if Bud agrees hes going to fight Porter behind closed doors to the WBO)

Porter knows more than anyone on this site thinks,fans should pay more attention to how these things work,because everything is done behind closed doors(when you see someone designated mandatory,there would already have been tons of jostling behind the scenes for that to happen,the WBO is literally the slimiest of them all when it comes to important champs. Thats why they mandated Andrade 2 back to back mandos but Bud hasn't in 15 mos.