De La Hoya: "The Pressure is On Floyd Mayweather Jr"

[GRUSTLER]

well he wasn't really the best and we all know that. that's like saying zsolt erdei is the best light heavy right now.

But he was because he was considered the best as far as
rankings at 147 went at the time right? He beat Zab Judah
who was the undisputed WW champ. Maybe he wasn't considered
the best in our eyes but he held the title as the best at 147
so technically Floyd beat the best at 147 status wise not
talent wise. AND who knows if Cotto/Margarito would have
even beat Baldomir?

[El Jesus]

now i hate the triangle theory but....

Well Baldomir believe it or not was the LAST REAL WW champ b4 Mayweather beat him....Baldomir beat ZAB (who had all of the belts from Cory Spinks).....Now many people believe that Baldomir beating was a fluke , so Mayweather DOMINATED Zab, then DOMINATED the man with the belts..who was the CHAMP.......Baldomir didnt want to pay the sanctioning fee's for all of the belts except for the WBC, so they all got scattered around which is why Cotto, & Mosley and all of them havs belts...Mayweather let his Belt go to move up to 154 to fight Oscar for his TITLE.....

if you realy wanna be technical...Mayweather is real WW champ, Until he LET his belt go cause he wanted to snatch the 154lb title

....i know ur trying to Imply that he shouldve fought Margarito for 8 Million.....but why?..he made more than 8 mill to beat zab and more than 8 mill to beat Baldo...

Margarito wasnt a WW chanp at that time and was only famous by beating Cintron on ESPN

i can remember detailing this exact point on this site more than 3 years ago. Technically speaking mayweather made the 2 fights people wanted to see that year. He caught alot of **** for fighting zab and brian kenny himself ripped floyd for not fighting the true champ in baldomir. That was the year he reached out to mosley and then hatton and they both turned him down, at the same time mayweather would then fight baldomir and become the true champ at WW, he moved up to fight oscar.

Looking at it in retrospect and at the time, those were the desicions mayweather should have made, but what eventually happened is that WW stacked up probably not the way he anticipated. its easy to hate on those desicions now from the nay-saying posters in this thread/forum, but floyd really did make the fights we wanted to see up until that point, and that includes the hatton fight.

Floyd winning the true WW title was a big deal, but what hurt it, was when he dominated baldomir in the early rounds and was content to just coast through the rest of the fight.

[Dynamite Kid]

Pac is faster maybe...but he isnt more accurate, and he doesnt put together better combonations. Body attack is sub par, defense is suspect.....leans forward with his face/fead exposed and stretches to make contact...

Mayweathers style is perfect to exploit Mannys weaknesses

Manny's weaknesses cant be exposed by many fighters....but Mayweather is one of them

Everything you say is correct but thats all in theory.



I believe Manny Pacquiao's unorthodoxy is what makes him so difficult to handle, plus his speed of hand and foot of coarse.

There is no knowing how Mayweather will cope with Manny's unorthodoxy and left handed stance until they actually get in the ring together, thats why upsets happen in Boxing, because you cant calculate how someone is going to handle what the other guy brings untill they have been in the ring together.

Who would of picked Mayorga to knock Forrest silly ? its not the straightest of right hands he threw so you would expect a quality fighter like Forrest to be able to avoid it.

Also if Pacquiao's was so one dimmensional back in the day, how come no one could get out of the way of his left hand when they knew it was coming ? because its like i said you dont know how someone will deal with a fighters rhythm until they actually fight.

I did not expect Mayweather to have any trouble with Sosa and whilst he was dominent he certainly did not look comfortable getting to grips with Soso's akward rhythm. I aslo did not expect Castillo to give Mayweather the trouble he did.

Look id make Floyd a favourite but you should not act like its a stick on win because he is technically better, if Manny were more orthodox then i would agree but........

[El Jesus]

well he wasn't really the best and we all know that. that's like saying zsolt erdei is the best light heavy right now.

Bull, Baldomir really was the undisputed welterweight champion, there wasnt any dispute about that at all. Brian Kenny forced mayweathers hand on national tv asking why he didint go for the true championship instead of the fraudulent IBF belt he wont from Zab.

[Jiddu Dali]

well he wasn't really the best and we all know that. that's like saying zsolt erdei is the best light heavy right now.

terrible analogy

Zsolt Erdei NEVER beat the UNDISPUTED LHW champ....

and anways Zsolt has helt "a" LHW title longer than any of the current LHW title holders

[daggum]

now i hate the triangle theory but....

Well Baldomir believe it or not was the LAST REAL WW champ b4 Mayweather beat him....Baldomir beat ZAB (who had all of the belts from Cory Spinks).....Now many people believe that Baldomir beating was a fluke , so Mayweather DOMINATED Zab, then DOMINATED the man with the belts..who was the CHAMP.......Baldomir didnt want to pay the sanctioning fee's for all of the belts except for the WBC, so they all got scattered around which is why Cotto, & Mosley and all of them havs belts...Mayweather let his Belt go to move up to 154 to fight Oscar for his TITLE.....

if you realy wanna be technical...Mayweather is real WW champ, Until he LET his belt go cause he wanted to snatch the 154lb title

....i know ur trying to Imply that he shouldve fought Margarito for 8 Million.....but why?..he made more than 8 mill to beat zab and more than 8 mill to beat Baldo...

Margarito wasnt a WW chanp at that time and was only famous by beating Cintron on ESPN

well judah and baldomir aren't the best no matter how many belts or linear poopages they had. as you can see when cotto and clottey both beat judah up in subsequent fights. obv baldomir would be destroyed by anyone with a pulse as well.

its equivalent to berto getting 3 belts and the linear championship by beating hlatshwayo and mickey rodriguez. he would have the glitter but he wouldn't have the respect.

[GRUSTLER]

Hey but Mayweather got offered $8 mil to fight Margarito. Did he fight him?

Mayweather was supposed to get a fight with Oscar around the
time when Arum offered him a fight with Margarito. Why would
Floyd fight Margarito who was clearly a nobody and not fight
Oscar De La Hoya who was the face of Boxing? Floyd moved
up to 147 chasing Oscar/Mosley, two fighters that were WAAAAY
BETTER than Margarito, so what sense does it make for him to
be scared of Margarito? Oscar/Mosley in their primes would
have DESTROYED Margarito, Mosley did it out of his prime.
Why would Floyd be scared of Margarito? Floyd got 8Mil
and the recognize WW spot by beating Baldomir. I don't
understand why people think Margarito was such a danger
to Floyd? Margarito was/is an overrated fighter, that even
with a lil boxing skill can be beat and I think Williams and
Mosley showed that.

[El Jesus]

well judah and baldomir aren't the best no matter how many belts or linear poopages they had. .

I dont know how long you have been watching the sport, but in 2004/5, Zab vs Mayweather was basically the Number 1 potential matchup in the sport after Zab knocked out to cory spinks. Judah was seen as the ONLY potential threat to mayweathers undefeated record.

Again, i honestly dont think you could have possibly followed the sport at the time to say something like that.

[jayblack]

But technically Baldomir was the best when Floyd fought
him. Wasn't Margarito, Cotto or Williams, it was Baldomir.

-I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Baldomir had just beatin the Undisputed welterweight champ. Which made him the man at WW....
-Margarito was calling for a fight, but who had he beat??? Hell he lost to Santos....
-Money May had previously called out Cotto, and he wasn't ready....
-Williams is a beast, but he hadn't earned a name yet. But hell, I'd advise every WW to stay away from him....

[daggum]

I dont know how long you have been watching the sport, but in 2004/5, Zab vs Mayweather was basically the Number 1 potential matchup in the sport after Zab knocked out to cory spinks. Judah was seen as the ONLY potential threat to mayweathers undefeated record.

Again, i honestly dont think you could have possibly followed the sport at the time to say something like that.

remember when zab lost to baldomir? kinda killed that fight..........oh wait........he fought him anyway! then he fought baldomir cause if baldomir beat judah he must be a good fighter right? wrong! as proved in subsequent fights beating judah is really no hard task at all as clottey and cotto proved and the same can be said of baldomir who lost to jackson bonsu and vernon forrest.