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No one is to blame for this but the wbc. Their desperate pandering to certain fighters caused them to make that ****** franchise title and they screwed Lopez as a result. Imaginary titles don’t count even if he beat the best guy in the division. The only exception where people have ignored the fake titles is unless you’re pac and use those fake titles to claim you’re an 8 division champion.
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The Tornado keeping it real - Edinburgh's soon to be undisputed King. Ramirez is in for a world of hurt. He won't know if he's Mexican, American or from Timbuktu once The Tartan Tornado is finished with him.Last edited by Marvlus Marv; 04-22-2021, 06:40 AM.Comment
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Well, now that Taylor says he's not interested, I'll have to root for Jose Ramirez!
Jose Ramirez Wants Teofimo Lopez After Josh Taylor Fight
Boxing News 24
By Dan Ambrose
April 20, 2021
WBC/WBO light welterweight champion Jose Ramirez says he’s contemplating whether to stay at 140 to defend all four titles against Teofimo Lopez if he defeats IBF/WBA champion Josh Taylor on May 22nd. Ramirez (26-0, 17 KOs) and Taylor (17-0, 13 KOs) are fighting for the undisputed 140-lb championship on ESPN on May 22nd. Taylor is viewed as the favorite in that fight for good reason.
Taylor looked a lot better at beating common opponent Viktor Postol than Ramirez, who struggled to defeat the former WBC 140lb champion last August by a 12 round majority decision.
Taylor has already expressed interest in staying in the division long enough to defend against the WBO mandatory Jack Catterall and then take on the popular Teofimo (16-0, 12 KOs), who wants to move up to try and become the undisputed champion in two weight classes.
Last October, Teofimo defeated WBA/WBC Franchise/WBO 135-lb champion Vasily Lomachenko to become the undisputed lightweight champion.Although technically, Teofimo still hasn’t become the undisputed champion because his WBC title is a Franchise strap, given out by the sanctioning body to fighters that they like a lot. For Teofimo to become the true undisputed champion, he still needs to beat WBC 135lb champion, Devin Haney. Nevertheless, Teofimo has been embellishing his credentials by bragging that he’s the undisputed champion, even though he’s not. It’s amusing to hear Teofimo bending the truth about him being the undisputed champion when he clearly isn’t yet. He says it without a trace of guilt on his face.
“It depends on how my body feels,” said Jose Ramirez to Fighthype when asked if he’ll stay at 140 to fight Teofimo after the Taylor fight on May 22nd or move up to face Terence Crawford.
“I’ve been in this weight class my whole career. Maybe the Teofimo fight is starting to sound more interesting. It’s starting to excite me,” said Ramirez.
There’s money to be made for Ramirez if he stays at 140 to defend the four titles against Teofimo. If Ramirez can beat Teofimo, the New Yorker’s pride would get the better of him, and he’d push for a rematch. That would allow Ramirez to get a second big payday, which would be bigger than the first.
Moreover, staying at 140 would open the door for a fight between Ramirez and Regis Prograis and a rematch with Josh Taylor. Ramirez can take endless nice payday fights before moving up to 147 to challenge WBO welterweight champion Terence Crawford.
By the time Ramirez exhausts all the big money fights, he can get at 140, Crawford likely won’t be the WBO champion any longer. Either Errol Spence Jr or Vergil Ortiz Jr will have snatched the WBO strap away from the aging Crawford when Ramirez eventually moves up to 147.
“I heard him [Teofimo] say that he believes Taylor is going to win, but there’s a difference between what he believes and who he wants,” said Ramirez.
“He might have a reason why he’s saying that. He might feel that Taylor is an easier fight for him than I am.”
It could be that Teofimo realizes that Ramirez has the wrong style for him, particularly with his high punch output. Teofimo is basically a six-round fighter with poor stamina. A guy like Ramirez would be all wrong for him because he throws so many punches, and he doesn’t allow his opponent to rest. We saw how fatigued the 23-year-old Teofimo was in his fight with Vasily Lomachenko last October.
It was like the ages of the two fighters were reversed, with Lomachenko being the young guy and Teofimo the 33-year-old.
“The more he [Teofimo Lopez] says that I’m going to move up to 147 and speak on my behalf, the more I’m going to stay at 140,” said Ramirez. I might stay at 140 just to face him. I’m not afraid of Teofimo Lopez at all.”
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actually he didn't. It's clear that the WBC made Loma the franchise champ and even stated that the franchise title cannot change hands. But, they make stuff up as they go along to collect those fees. If I could generate $300k in a backyard fight tomorrow, they'd make up a belt for me too.Originally posted by wrecksracer View PostComment
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After long thought I have finally decided on the undisputed champion debacle at lightweight. Trying to be scientific as possible.
1. Loma is World champ
2. WBC establishes Loma as Franchise champ
3. Haney is elevated to full champ withou fighting Loma
(This is the odd part whether you believe Haney had time to fight or want to fight Lomachenko before the Loma v Lopez fight was negotiated)
4. Loma is defeated by Lopez
5. ???
Based on this, I believe Lopez should be undisputed champ and Haney reinstated back to interim or better yet, WBC orders immediate fight between current and former interim champion and winner is mandatory for Lopez.
The more I think about it, the more this just seems odd Haney is now a roadblock to full unified and undisputed champion without fighting Loma.Comment
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WRONG.Originally posted by Jwil20 View Post
The fact is, Loma requested the Franchise belt, in order to avoid defending his championship against Haney. The wbc did not "force" the Franchise title on him, as you make it seem. So, because Lomachenko did not want to fight his mandatory (Haney), and asked for a way out,, the wbc obliged, and gave him an imaginary belt, and elevated Haney to full champion, and rightfully so.
It pains me that this sport has devolved from fans enjoying great fighters fighting other great fighters, to weirdos making excuses for fighters they are fans of.
I also don't understand, why Haney gets as much hate as he does, when day after day, all you hear is other good fighters in his weight class make excuses as to why they don't want to fight him. But that's what its come to,, because these fighters know their man-fans will continue to make excuses for them to not fight the other top fighters in their weight class.
I'm not a Haney fan. I think he's good, but not great. But the young man should not be punished because ALL the other good fighters in his weight class avoid him, and deny him the opportunity to prove whether he's great or not. It's time to cut the ****in s#it.
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Teofimo Lopez is NOT Undisputed, He Must Fight Haney! Nice bible verse, little ironic quoting a scripture from a chapter completely dedicated on opposing our PRIDE given that peoples arrogance turned delusional take on this fight. Your arrogance and delusions of grandeur is keeping you from acknowledging the truth about round 2. You people think you know it all, facts (highlights), Bradley, Wards scorecard (other boxing historians) will never bring an end to your uneducated and biased assessments.Originally posted by landotter View Post
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Upgrade may have been the wrong terminology but you know what I meant. Loma was the true wbc champ so lopez should be recognised as the true champ too not haney, who won the full title via email.Originally posted by Ray* View PostComment
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