Stop the canelo hate!

[Keysandboxing]

Its getting annoying so let's break it down. Everyone hates Canelo because he was allegedly using Clenbuterol to gain a some sort of physical advantage for the GGG fight. I completely understand that as no fighter should be given a slap on the wrist and having the rules changed because of their incident. Also, because of that gift scorecard for the first GGG vs Canelo, which that was about as close as Ward Kovalev 1 and Canelo later avenged the draw in a clear more dominant victory. Hating a fighter because of cheating and bogus scorecards makes sense, but I believe that this new wave of hate is coming from the following: widely accepted pfp #1 over T-bud, and the comment Bud recently made about Canelo not fighting Black fighters. As a black man myself and as a fan of Canelo and T-bud, I don't believe Canelo is avoiding any fighters. Canelo is currently on a belt collecting spree and it just so happens to be in Europe right now. But I believe that after he beats BJS he'll come back to America and beat Caleb Plant. Then he'll fight Mall and beat him too. After that there can be no excuses, at least I hope so.

All of the excuses against Canelo in order:
1. "Hasn't beaten high iq boxers after Mayweather" (Beats Lara and is on the way to beating BJS and Caleb Plant)
2. "Is a drug cheat" (hasn't been caught for 4 or 5 years now with any drug issues)
3. "Hasn't beaten undefeated fighters" (even after Trout, hes beated GGG, Callum Smith, and soon BJS and Plant)
"Hasn't beaten young in their prime undefeated fighters" (GGG, Jacobs, Lara, Trout, Callum Smith who knocked out George Grooves) I dont want to hear that BS about GGG being old when he fough t Canelo, I don't remember anyone calling GGG old after he beat down Daniel Jacobs...
4. Doesn't fight Black" (this list though: Shane Mosley, Trout (Prime), Mayweather (Prime), Lara (Prime), James Kirkland, Daniel Jacobs (Prime) (FYI man last fought a black fighter May 2019, Terence Crawford hasn't fought a black fighter since August 2017, just saying. And to me it kinda looks like T bud is dodging black fighter if anything, I mean he hasn't fought a black WW yet.

[TernceBudCharlo]

It's only an allegation when there's no evidence. We have the best evidence in existence, a failed drug test.

[TernceBudCharlo]

Bro. People gotta stop pretending that GGG was a good win. Even if he did win, which a lot of people think he didn't. Real boxing fans know GGG isn't a great fighter. He was p4p at the time yes, but that's because most people are ****** and the networks have an agenda.

People here are smart, they follow boxing a lot more. Everyone on this forum knows that GGG is one of the most overrated boxers in history. I laugh when the same posters in one thread talk about how GGG was elite when Canelo fought him, but then say **** in other threads about how much of a bum he is. As long as Canelo isn't involved, GGG is a bum.

But you don't have to take their word for it. Even Canelo himself admitted it when he said Danny Jacobs beat him easily. Not elite fighter loses easily to Danny Jacobs.

[ShaneMosleySr]

No one hates him.

Hes clearly a very good boxer.

What most people are pointing out is that he’s the least dominant top p4p boxer in the history of boxing.

Nearly all of his signature wins could have easily gone the other way. He could easily have 7 losses and probably would if he wasn’t a cash cow for everyone.

[El_Maldito_Rey]

Most everyone that hates him has an agenda, are racists or Crawford supporters. But in most cases, all of the above.

[Keysandboxing]

Bro. People gotta stop pretending that GGG was a good win. Even if he did win, which a lot of people think he didn't. Real boxing fans know GGG isn't a great fighter. He was p4p at the time yes, but that's because most people are ****** and the networks have an agenda.

People here are smart, they follow boxing a lot more. Everyone on this forum knows that GGG is one of the most overrated boxers in history. I laugh when the same posters in one thread talk about how GGG was elite when Canelo fought him, but then say **** in other threads about how much of a bum he is. As long as Canelo isn't involved, GGG is a bum.

But you don't have to take their word for it. Even Canelo himself admitted it when he said Danny Jacobs beat him easily. Not elite fighter loses easily to Danny Jacobs.

"People here are smart." I laugh when I hear that from someone who thinks a fighter who hasn't fought one great fighter is pfp #1. I'll ask you this, has Crawford fought one GGG level opponent, one Shawn Porter Level opponent, I'd argue he hadn't even fought a prime Kell Brook level opponent. I'll wait. Also, when I said allegedly I was saying he allegedly used the clenbuterol to gain a PHYSICAL advantage, not that he allegedly used Clenbuterol...You don't just faIl drug tests and it be allegedly, I understand that.

[Keysandboxing]

No one hates him.

Hes clearly a very good boxer.

What most people are pointing out is that he’s the least dominant top p4p boxer in the history of boxing.

Nearly all of his signature wins could have easily gone the other way. He could easily have 7 losses and probably would if he wasn’t a cash cow for everyone.

7 losses, please name them. Canelo haters, you'll never admit it but you clearly don't like Canelo, its fine, just say that you don't like a boxer instead of coming up with a bunch of lies to try and degrade them...

[ShaneMosleySr]

Sure no problem.

Danny Jacobs, GGG 2, GGG 1, Erislandy Lara, Floyd Mayweather, Austin Trout, Jorge Juarez.

I scored Trout and Jacobs a draw but they could easily be losses. GGG 1 and Lara should have been wide losses for Canelo. GGG 2 should have been a close loss. He lost to Mayweather. I never saw the Juarez fight but it was a draw.

7 losses, please name them. Canelo haters, you'll never admit it but you clearly don't like Canelo, its fine, just say that you don't like a boxer instead of coming up with a bunch of lies to try and degrade them...

[Keysandboxing]

Sure no problem.

Danny Jacobs, GGG 2, GGG 1, Erislandy Lara, Floyd Mayweather, Austin Trout, Jorge Juarez.

I scored Trout and Jacobs a draw but they could easily be losses. GGG 1 and Lara should have been wide losses for Canelo. GGG 2 should have been a close loss. He lost to Mayweather. I never saw the Juarez fight but it was a draw.

A close fight isn't a loss nor could it be easily considered a loss. You are the first person I've heard that says that the Danny Jacobs fight could've easily gone to Jacobs. That is an extreme example sir. With your logic, Mayweather, Pacquiao, Mosley, and other pfp greats have tons of arguable losses.

Mayweather arguable losses: Castillo, ODLH, Maidana 1
If you're a Mayweather hater you could argue he lost to: Cotto, Pacquiao

Go re-watch the Jacobs and Trout fights, and then unbiasedly tell me the truth. Canelo knocked Trout down so all he needed to do was win 4 more rounds to make the fight a draw. And I mean Danny Jacobs was dominated take another look smh.

[TernceBudCharlo]

"People here are smart." I laugh when I hear that from someone who thinks a fighter who hasn't fought one great fighter is pfp #1. I'll ask you this, has Crawford fought one GGG level opponent, one Shawn Porter Level opponent, I'd argue he hadn't even fought a prime Kell Brook level opponent. I'll wait. Also, when I said allegedly I was saying he allegedly used the clenbuterol to gain a PHYSICAL advantage, not that he allegedly used Clenbuterol...You don't just faIl drug tests and it be allegedly, I understand that.

I think people need to stop acting like the only criteria that counts for pfp is the names of people on your resume. This is what I hear all the Canelo fans say. That's not how I look at it, I look at it as who is the hardest guy in boxing to beat right now. We can disagree on the criteria, that's fine. But you can't act like there's only one way to do it. P4P is subjective and there's no universally recognized way of doing it.

Using MY standard, and the standard a lot of other people use, 4 fighters have already proven they are capable of beating Canelo. That would be GGG, Lara, Floyd, Trout. Floyd is retired, but I just don't see how you can say Canelo's is indisputably pound for pound best when there are 3 active boxers who clearly proved in the ring that they are just as good as Canelo. And Canelo didn't rematch them, the way Floyd did with Castillo and Maidana, clearly proving that those guys were not on his level.

Nobody has ever proved that with Crawford. I get that his level of competition is lower and that when you fight better comp the fights get closer, but you act like Bud has fought all bums. He has not. He has fought plenty of very good B level fighters and beats them with ease every time, zero flaws. Gamboa, Postol, Horn, even washed Brook and Khan, these guys aren't bums. So you can't act like it's a crazy stretch to think that he'd beat a guy like Porter convincingly. Now if he'd only fought legit bums I'd agree with you and say Canelo should be pound for pound, but all his performances make me think if you put him in a high profile fight that Canelo has had, he'd walk away with a convincing win, not a close win like Canelo.