Stop the canelo hate!

[TernceBudCharlo]

A close fight isn't a loss nor could it be easily considered a loss. You are the first person I've heard that says that the Danny Jacobs fight could've easily gone to Jacobs. That is an extreme example sir. With your logic, Mayweather, Pacquiao, Mosley, and other pfp greats have tons of arguable losses.

Mayweather arguable losses: Castillo, ODLH, Maidana 1
If you're a Mayweather hater you could argue he lost to: Cotto, Pacquiao

Go re-watch the Jacobs and Trout fights, and then unbiasedly tell me the truth. Canelo knocked Trout down so all he needed to do was win 4 more rounds to make the fight a draw. And I mean Danny Jacobs was dominated take another look smh.

Danny Jacobs lost clearly. Trout, Lara, both GGG fights I think you easily could have scored for them. And he didn't rematch them like Floyd did with those guys. ODLH I really don't see how you score for Oscar.

[ShaneMosleySr]

I didn’t say a close fight is a loss. I said he could easily have 7 losses.

The Jacobs fight was scored a draw by many reputable boxing scorers. I’m sorry you heard it first from me but it could have easily gone to Jacobs.

You then say Mayweather, Pacquiao and Mosley could easily have way more losses and came up with three examples for Mayweather. Mayweather could easily have three losses. Not seven though. And btw, no rational person scored Mayweather-Pacquiao or Mayweather-Cotto a draw. Many rational people scored the seven fights I mentioned as a draw or against Canelo.

Danny Jacobs was not dominated. Boxingscene scored it a draw and two of the three judges had it 115-113.

Also, you asked me to rewatch the Trout fight. Why don’t you? The showtime announcers lost their minds when the open scores were announced and Canelo gave away the final four rounds in what was a very close fight already.

A close fight isn't a loss nor could it be easily considered a loss. You are the first person I've heard that says that the Danny Jacobs fight could've easily gone to Jacobs. That is an extreme example sir. With your logic, Mayweather, Pacquiao, Mosley, and other pfp greats have tons of arguable losses.

Mayweather arguable losses: Castillo, ODLH, Maidana 1
If you're a Mayweather hater you could argue he lost to: Cotto, Pacquiao

Go re-watch the Jacobs and Trout fights, and then unbiasedly tell me the truth. Canelo knocked Trout down so all he needed to do was win 4 more rounds to make the fight a draw. And I mean Danny Jacobs was dominated take another look smh.

[Keysandboxing]

I think people need to stop acting like the only criteria that counts for pfp is the names of people on your resume. This is what I hear all the Canelo fans say. That's not how I look at it, I look at it as who is the hardest guy in boxing to beat right now. We can disagree on the criteria, that's fine. But you can't act like there's only one way to do it. P4P is subjective and there's no universally recognized way of doing it.

Using MY standard, and the standard a lot of other people use, 4 fighters have already proven they are capable of beating Canelo. That would be GGG, Lara, Floyd, Trout. Floyd is retired, but I just don't see how you can say Canelo's is indisputably pound for pound best when there are 3 active boxers who clearly proved in the ring that they are just as good as Canelo. And Canelo didn't rematch them, the way Floyd did with Castillo and Maidana, clearly proving that those guys were not on his level.

Nobody has ever proved that with Crawford. I get that his level of competition is lower and that when you fight better comp the fights get closer, but you act like Bud has fought all bums. He has not. He has fought plenty of very good B level fighters and beats them with ease every time, zero flaws. Gamboa, Postol, Horn, even washed Brook and Khan, these guys aren't bums. So you can't act like it's a crazy stretch to think that he'd beat a guy like Porter convincingly. Now if he'd only fought legit bums I'd agree with you and say Canelo should be pound for pound, but all his performances make me think if you put him in a high profile fight that Canelo has had, he'd walk away with a convincing win, not a close win like Canelo.

"He has fought plenty of very good B level fighters." Exactly, what was Trout, Lara, Mayweather, and GGG at the time Canelo fought them. A LEVEL FIGHTERS, at least as considered by most. What do you consider as B level WW, I think Danny Garcia, and Yordenis Ugas. Now all of the B level fighters that crawford fought i.e. Gamboa, Kavalaskius Postol, Jeff Horn all lose to Ugas and Danny Garcia. I know they are in different weight classes, but using your logic via pfp its safe to say that Garcia and Ugas beat all of them. And Ugas knocked out Ray Robinson whom Mean Machine drew with. On paper we could expect to see Ugas UD or even Tko Kava. Also, little Gamboa and unknown, unproven Mean Machine was able to badly hurt Crawford. Mean Machine was even able to knock him down. So if you're struggling with B-level fighters, that's not dominance nor does it prove you are a pfp #1. Now, the eye test. Good fighters are good enough to beat decent opposition but when they step up they lose i.e. Broner, Malignaggi.

"Even washed Brook and Khan, these guys aren't bums." Aren't bums says, at what point do we call a fighter a bum. Kell Brook had no eyes, to metal plates in skull, and even with that T-bud dragged him down to a weight class he hadn't fought at in three years. By the way he didn't look to good at 154 smh. And khan, I don't even think I need to elaborate but I will. Khan has been massacred 4 times including what Bud did, and your boy Canelo got to him before Bud. Also Bud didn't knock him out, Khan quit. It's safe to say that Khan and Brook were both bums at the time that Budford fought them.

"4 fighters have already proven they are capable of beating Canelo." This is the star effect, the biggest name in boxing has a higher standard than just getting the win. 7 rounds to 5 just isn't good enough. Ultimately Canelo finds a way to win whether the fight was close or not. Only one fighter officially beat Canelo.

"Nobody has ever proved that with Crawford." When was the last time Budford fought a Lara, GGG, Trout, or Mayweather level opponent. If the answer is no one, then right then and there we can't compare Bud to Canelo, since there's such a difference in opposition. They aren't fighting at the same level so this isn't apples to apples its more like apples to stop signs. Both are red but that's where the comparison ends. Bud and Canelo both fought champions but their quality of champions is a whole difference.

[TernceBudCharlo]

"He has fought plenty of very good B level fighters." Exactly, what was Trout, Lara, Mayweather, and GGG at the time Canelo fought them. A LEVEL FIGHTERS, at least as considered by most. What do you consider as B level WW, I think Danny Garcia, and Yordenis Ugas. Now all of the B level fighters that crawford fought i.e. Gamboa, Kavalaskius Postol, Jeff Horn all lose to Ugas and Danny Garcia. I know they are in different weight classes, but using your logic via pfp its safe to say that Garcia and Ugas beat all of them. And Ugas knocked out Ray Robinson whom Mean Machine drew with. On paper we could expect to see Ugas UD or even Tko Kava. Also, little Gamboa and unknown, unproven Mean Machine was able to badly hurt Crawford. Mean Machine was even able to knock him down. So if you're struggling with B-level fighters, that's not dominance nor does it prove you are a pfp #1. Now, the eye test. Good fighters are good enough to beat decent opposition but when they step up they lose i.e. Broner, Malignaggi.

"Even washed Brook and Khan, these guys aren't bums." Aren't bums says, at what point do we call a fighter a bum. Kell Brook had no eyes, to metal plates in skull, and even with that T-bud dragged him down to a weight class he hadn't fought at in three years. By the way he didn't look to good at 154 smh. And khan, I don't even think I need to elaborate but I will. Khan has been massacred 4 times including what Bud did, and your boy Canelo got to him before Bud. Also Bud didn't knock him out, Khan quit. It's safe to say that Khan and Brook were both bums at the time that Budford fought them.

"4 fighters have already proven they are capable of beating Canelo." This is the star effect, the biggest name in boxing has a higher standard than just getting the win. 7 rounds to 5 just isn't good enough. Ultimately Canelo finds a way to win whether the fight was close or not. Only one fighter officially beat Canelo.

"Nobody has ever proved that with Crawford." When was the last time Budford fought a Lara, GGG, Trout, or Mayweather level opponent. If the answer is no one, then right then and there we can't compare Bud to Canelo, since there's such a difference in opposition. They aren't fighting at the same level so this isn't apples to apples its more like apples to stop signs. Both are red but that's where the comparison ends. Bud and Canelo both fought champions but their quality of champions is a whole difference.

I don't have time to argue, but I read this and think it's very fake of you to say you're a Bud fan when you say **** like Brook and Khan were bums, it's not fair to think Bud beats Garcia, keep calling him "Budford," or that Mean Machine or Gamboa badly hurt Bud. That's just a lie, he dealt with some adversity in those fights, but recovered just fine to dominate the rest. The true test of a good fighter is to see how they bounce back from adversity.

You sound like one of those guys who said Kovalev would dominated Ward because he got "badly hurt" by Boone.

[TernceBudCharlo]

I also don't see how you can be neutral or a serious fan when your pic is Jake Paul knocking out Nate Robinson, how can you be proud of that bull****? Cong**** some celebrity KOd a retired basketball player who's never boxed before, who cares.

[LeOoze]

First off, Canelo receives the most criticism because he is currently the face of boxing. There is nothing wrong with criticizing Canelo's resume or the negative aspects that he may represent in boxing. And this isn't new either, tons of #1 p4p fighters have been ****ted on during their primes. Roy, Floyd, Chavez, etc., all come to mind.

I think Canelo is the best boxer out right now, but I'll try to respond to your points as objective as I can.

1. I agree. He beat Lara and if he beats BJS and Plant - those are also high IQ boxers.
2. I actually believe Canelo that he didn't take Clen on purpose. Besides, on the second GGG fight, he was tested HEAVILY.
3. I would add Lara to this list. His only L at the time was Paul Williams but that was a highway robbery.
4. The "black" fighter requirement is most likely talking about Black American fighters. Lara is black as midnight but the people who say he doesn't fight Black fighters would probably not include him. That being said, he fought Jacobs back in 2019, he fights Black American fighters just as much as any other boxer IMO.

What I like about Canelo is that he pushes himself more than any boxer out right now. Nobody gives Canelo credit for beating Kov, but I think it's a nice achievement that he went up 2 weight classes to win a world title. I cannot think of any other middleweight (right now) that would've taken the risk. I think if he became undisputed at 168 he could maybe make it as a top 30 ATG. I think BJS and especially Plant have styles that could beat him, so it speaks volumes to me if he beats both of them convincingly.

Now what I don't like about Canelo. His scorecards. For the record, I think he clearly beat Trout, Lara, GGG 2, Cotto, etc., but they all had at least one scorecard that was extreme. Like the Floyd fight, wtf that was nowhere near a draw. With all the talent that he has, I think it's ridiculous he gotta have crazy scorecards. At the same time tho, it's not like all the judges always vote for him. One judge thought he lost against Lara. With the 2 GGG fights, one judge scored against him, and two scored it a draw. But still, it's annoying.

He occasionally fights no-hopers. Everybody would've rather seen him fight Charlo instead of Rocky fielding. And the catchweights he did back in the day were annoying.

[Marchegiano]

The 3G **** gets annoying. 3G is well overrated and so is his performance against Canelo, and, the only people you have to blame for that are 3G fans.

I've watched very little 3G. I really just don't give a ****. I saw him as getting popular off Sasha Baron's work more than his own and decided I'd give a **** when he fought someone interesting.

Canelo i've seen a few times because he often fights someone interesting, but, when he fights someone I dgaf about I continue to not gaf.

I skipped canelo-3g. dgaf about 3g. Heard Canelo won and was like no reason to watch then, **** it. One guy I have no interest in vs another I have a passing interest in ends without upset. whoopdee. But then controversy of the end didn't go away so I was like let me watch this ****. Watched Canelo beat 3G's ass twice and was like man, 3G fans have overrated and continue to overrate this dude. both resume and performance....wtf.

Almost as opposite as Josh Taylor as you can be. Wasn't watching, didn't pay attention, saw he's fighting Jose and got into what he's done. His fans are not over selling because he actually performs.


I'm hardly a Canelo fan, I don't give enough ****s to hate on 3g most of the time, I just don't get why his fans think he's so great or how the **** he "beat" Canelo. Good fight, nothing to cry about though....well...relatively good anyway.

[Boxing Goat]

I was all on the Canelo bandwagon ...........until he was a proven cheater. Not accused, but a PROVEN CHEAT. No sympathy from me

[sicko]

Stop being so F^cking Sensitive Canelo Groupies! I like Canelo too by the way #1 P4P IMO BY FAR but a lot of you Canelo Groupies hate on every other fighter as well and make excuses as to why Canelo shouldn't fight them. Not only that but some of you are the same fans who did the exact same sh^t to Mayweather during his career but now when it happens to someone you're a fan of now it is "Can We All Just Play Nice"

All Boxers should be respected regardless if you're a fan of not, they're not Bums, some of you guys call World Champions and Former World Champions "BUMS" but hey it is the internet anybody can be big bad and tough on the internet but in person when you run into these fighters it is those same Trolls who turn into groupies "Can I Take A Picture With You Champ?"

Boxing Fans F^cking SUCK ASS! I Blame Its Fans for a lot of the troubles with boxing including the ducking that is going on because Fans make Ducking Acceptable for certain fighters based on who they have the biggest man crush on. Again fan of Canelo but YES I want Canelo in with Jermall Charlo, Andrade, Benavidez, Beterbiev, Bivol and he crazy thing is...I Think He Can Find A Way To Beat Them All!

I'm a Boxing Fan FIRST! Canelo just so happen to be 1 of the fighters I like he is not the only fighters I like which is the case for A LOT of Canelo fans. You're not Boxing fans you're just an Admirer of Canelo regardless if it is simply because he is Mexican (which is fine) but stop pretending to be a Boxing Fan coming on here bashing any and every fighters who could be a potential threat to Canelo

[El_Maldito_Rey]

Sure no problem.

Danny Jacobs, GGG 2, GGG 1, Erislandy Lara, Floyd Mayweather, Austin Trout, Jorge Juarez.

I scored Trout and Jacobs a draw but they could easily be losses. GGG 1 and Lara should have been wide losses for Canelo. GGG 2 should have been a close loss. He lost to Mayweather. I never saw the Juarez fight but it was a draw.

If we're going that route then we can all agree Mayweather has multiple losses.

1 - Castillo 1
2- Judah DQ loss (when Roger jumped into the ring)
3- De la Hoya
4- Paquiao
5- Maidana

ALSO

Mosley should have a loss to both De la Hoya fights and an asterick (*) or every fight after De la Hoya II turned into a no-contest since he was in fact cheating and juiced to the gills with BALCO products.