Comments Thread For: Zurdo Ramirez: Oscar De La Hoya Can Make Me Even Bigger, Turn Me Into A Superstar

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you’re now trying to talk generally. Yes , generally the owner of a promotional company is hands on and does actual promoting along with people he hires, the way Arum has for years. Oscar wasn’t doing that then. He let everyone else run things while he was doing his own thing with drugs and drag. Haymon was doing all of the managing and match making while Schaefer ran the promotions. I was actually at a mayweather vs canelo press conference. Oscar was nowhere to be found while Schaefer ran the show. Same deal happened on fight night. Oscar was barely involved with his fighters then and that’s why he got left highs dry.
Ryan is an Instagram star, not a boxing star. Like I said, you seem impressed by Instagram followers and that’s actually what’s made him popular. Not because of how Oscar has marketed him. He doesn’t even like Oscar. Oscar has helped to create 1 star and that’s canelo, who left him. Back to the main point, Ramirez isn’t becoming a star.

Why are you comparing DLH to Arum who's only job ever was to promote fights he's not a celebrity or athlete. DLH created a promotional company and for years owned it while a active athlete and celebrity. He also doesn't just own a promotional company. He's owns many companies, a soccer team, a magazine, real estate properties and is a celebrity. How could he possible be hands on and run day to day like Arum a old man who has nothing else to do and even Arum doesn't run everything at Top Rank. A better comparison is Mayweather who is also a former athlete and celebrity. Mayweather who doesn't show up to most of his boxing events and been involved in many arrests and lawsuits instead of showing up to punch a clock at the Mayweather Promotions office while someone else manages his company. Mayweather owns the company and deserves all the success it receives not Leonard Ellerbe who could be replaced and not skip a beat just like Schaefer was and would be irrelevant if he started his own promotional company like Schaefer was. Back to the main point DLH is responsible for building many stars, with and without Schaefer.

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Why are you comparing DLH to Arum who's only job ever was to promote fights he's not a celebrity or athlete. DLH created a promotional company and for years owned it while a active athlete and celebrity. He also doesn't just own a promotional company. He's owns many companies, a soccer team, a magazine, real estate properties and is a celebrity. How could he possible be hands on and run day to day like Arum a old man who has nothing else to do and even Arum doesn't run everything at Top Rank. A better comparison is Mayweather who is also a former athlete and celebrity. Mayweather who doesn't show up to most of his boxing events and been involved in many arrests and lawsuits instead of showing up to punch a clock at the Mayweather Promotions office while someone else manages his company. Mayweather owns the company and deserves all the success it receives not Leonard Ellerbe who could be replaced and not skip a beat just like Schaefer was and would be irrelevant if he started his own promotional company like Schaefer was. Back to the main point DLH is responsible for building many stars, with and without Schaefer.

so on one end you acknowledge he did nothing because you say he was too busy, but then on the other end you want to say he’s responsible for building many stars. Cut it out and stop the nonsense. Oscar has done next to nothing and that was especially true during that era when drugs and drag were his priorities. Let’s just agree to disagree, I’ve already proven that it was haymon and Schaefer running the show at Golden boy back then and that Oscar did nothing. You can’t even mention anything that Oscar did for those fighters. If you want to praise him despite him being a coke whore in lingerie more than a businessman, that’s on you. But you’re not changing my mind.

[GhostofDempsey]

By fighting who? He avoided the best at 168. At 175 he needs to fight Bivol and Beterbiev, no exceptions. I don't know who squandered their career more, him or Gary Russell Jr.

[SpenceBud]

Perfect opportunity to shine. GBP just lost Canelo, they are looking for that new gem right now. It could be Ryan, could be Ortiz or it could be you zurdo.

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so on one end you acknowledge he did nothing because you say he was too busy, but then on the other end you want to say he’s responsible for building many stars. Cut it out and stop the nonsense. Oscar has done next to nothing and that was especially true during that era when drugs and drag were his priorities. Let’s just agree to disagree, I’ve already proven that it was haymon and Schaefer running the show at Golden boy back then and that Oscar did nothing. You can’t even mention anything that Oscar did for those fighters. If you want to praise him despite him being a coke whore in lingerie more than a businessman, that’s on you. But you’re not changing my mind.

If not for DLH these guys are not stars. It's his company. The days of a old ***ish man who does nothing but live in the office to run promotional companies are over. DLH is the face of the company he could have anyone live in the office and manage it and it would still of been successful. No ex athlete and celebrity is going to live like a hermit in a boxing office like 90 year old Arum. Doesn't mean he's not responsible for the success of the company. Schaefer was a employee working for DLH and DLH had success with him working for his company and has had success without him. Stop pretending like fighters were signing and becoming stars because Schaefer. If that were true Schaefer would be a success without DLH instead of irrelevant. Just like Mayweather deserves the success for Mayweather Promotions and not Ellerbe lmao

Magic Johnson has been a huge success since retiring owning countless successful business and he never runs the day to day operations for any of them or showing up at all those companies events. He don't have time for that and neither does DLH or Mayweather. But those business would not be the same without them.

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If not for DLH these guys are not stars. It's his company. The days of a old ***ish man who does nothing but live in the office to run promotional companies are over. DLH is the face of the company he could have anyone live in the office and manage it and it would still of been successful. No ex athlete and celebrity is going to live like a hermit in a boxing office like 90 year old Arum. Doesn't mean he's not responsible for the success of the company. Schaefer was a employee working for DLH and DLH had success with him working for his company and has had success without him. Stop pretending like fighters were signing and becoming stars because Schaefer. If that were true Schaefer would be a success without DLH instead of irrelevant. Just like Mayweather deserves the success for Mayweather Promotions and not Ellerbe lmao

Magic Johnson has been a huge success since retiring owning countless successful business and he never runs the day to day operations for any of them or showing up at all those companies events. He don't have time for that and neither does DLH or Mayweather. But those business would not be the same without them.

you’re dancing all around in circles. Let’s stick with the point. What actual boxing stars (not Instagram stars) aside from canelo has Oscar actually made? What hands on approach did Oscar do as a promoter to make those guys stars? Do you think Oscar can make Ramirez a star?

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you’re dancing all around in circles. Let’s stick with the point. What actual boxing stars (not Instagram stars) aside from canelo has Oscar actually made? What hands on approach did Oscar do as a promoter to make those guys stars? Do you think Oscar can make Ramirez a star?

Stop dancing around and answer me did Mayweather make Tank a star or was it Ellerbe? Garcia is a bigger star then 99% of fighters right now. Canelo became a bigger star in the 7 years after Schaefer was gone from GB. 2 stars that have nothing to do with Schaefer. You are asking for hands on approach qualifier that nobody but Arum does and he's about to die. lmao You will never get that from Lebron who is massively successful as a business man yet puts other people in charge of the day to day for all his businesses and doesn't show up at all their events. That's the era we live today with celebs and athletes becoming successful businessmen but don't have the time to sit in a office all day. They will never run businesses like the old guard Arum. Doesn't mean they are not responsible for the success of their businesses.

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Stop dancing around and answer me did Mayweather make Tank a star or was it Ellerbe? Garcia is a bigger star then 99% of fighters right now. Canelo became a bigger star in the 7 years after Schaefer was gone from GB. 2 stars that have nothing to do with Schaefer. You are asking for hands on approach qualifier that nobody but Arum does and he's about to die. lmao You will never get that from Lebron who is massively successful as a business man yet puts other people in charge of the day to day for all his businesses and doesn't show up at all their events. That's the era we live today with celebs and athletes becoming successful businessmen but don't have the time to sit in a office all day. They will never run businesses like the old guard Arum. Doesn't mean they are not responsible for the success of their businesses.

so you completely avoided my questions and avoided the main point, as usual. Oscar made no stars other than canelo and won’t make Ramirez a star. Which was my original point. Ryan is Instagram famous, not a boxing star, and that was something he did himself, not that Oscar did. Ehatbhsniscar done for him? He’s won 0 titles, headlined 0 ppv’s and hasn’t generated any meaningful numbers for dazn. So you’re trying to grasp at straws because you can’t name 1 star other than canelo. As far as tank, mayweather has actually promoted him. He’s put him on his undercards to give him visibility, he’s marketed him on cable platforms in a similar way he’s done for himself (like when he created the concept of 24/7 on HBO which then became all access on showtime) been at his fights which has gained attention, and made him more known to the average fan. As far as what all these other promoters and managers do vs don’t do, that’s irrelevant. Oscar neglected his own business due to his addiction and weirdo fetishes. Not the same situation as comparing him to the others you’ve mentioned. So to summarize, you can’t name 1 other boxing star Oscar has created, you can’t name anything that he did for the current fighters on pbc to promote them and you refuse to answer whether he can actually make Ramirez a star. Just accept the loss and stop trying to salvage dignity with meaningless repetitive responses.

[TernceBudCharlo]

Look at what Joe Smith did to Jesse Hart. It won't end well for the great Gilberto Zurdo Ramirez.

[Nightprowler]

so you completely avoided my questions and avoided the main point, as usual. Oscar made no stars other than canelo and won’t make Ramirez a star. Which was my original point. Ryan is Instagram famous, not a boxing star, and that was something he did himself, not that Oscar did. Ehatbhsniscar done for him? He’s won 0 titles, headlined 0 ppv’s and hasn’t generated any meaningful numbers for dazn. So you’re trying to grasp at straws because you can’t name 1 star other than canelo. As far as tank, mayweather has actually promoted him. He’s put him on his undercards to give him visibility, he’s marketed him on cable platforms in a similar way he’s done for himself (like when he created the concept of 24/7 on HBO which then became all access on showtime) been at his fights which has gained attention, and made him more known to the average fan. As far as what all these other promoters and managers do vs don’t do, that’s irrelevant. Oscar neglected his own business due to his addiction and weirdo fetishes. Not the same situation as comparing him to the others you’ve mentioned. So to summarize, you can’t name 1 other boxing star Oscar has created, you can’t name anything that he did for the current fighters on pbc to promote them and you refuse to answer whether he can actually make Ramirez a star. Just accept the loss and stop trying to salvage dignity with meaningless repetitive responses.

How old are you? You are more stubborn than my teenage brother lmao. Any person with a modicum of logic can acknowledge that although Oscar may not have been there every single step of the way and for every single event that took place that does not mean that he is not responsible for the success of the company. Fffs he’s been a star since the 90s, and he was p4p for a long time and faced the best opponents in and around his weight class. He was great looking, and is charming and charismatic, and well spoken and intelligent. Those are perfect ingredients to become successful at just about anything. Let me ask you something, were you part of the executive team back when you claim the snake was running things, or are you going by the lies the envious thugs have spread? lol. Get it through your thick skull, wealthy business owners and high profile people are like you and i and make mistakes and sometimes are involved in things like substance abuse at some point in their lives...it’s happened to the best of us. That doesn’t mean that everything they have accomplished is invalidated nor do they not deserve credit for when someone else is involved in contributing to that success. To think otherwise is moronic and borders on delusional. Oscar made GBP the success it has become, no matter how much you want to be oblivious to it lol.