Andre Ward is definitely making a comeback!

[deathofaclown]

It's nothing but a myth that Ward dominated. I had it 7-5 for Ward.

But even if it was one sided in your mind, the rematch should have happened after Froch beat Bute and Kessler. Froch had a right like any other the chance at redemption. He just needed to change his tactics like he did in the Kessler rematch and not try and counter punch someone with faster feet and hands than him. He needed to push Ward back and pressure him. Loads of first fights have been clear for the winner only for them to lose the rematch. But Ward wouldn't travel. He knew he couldn't cheat if he did. That's why his condition to fight Froch in the UK was Wembley stadium. He turned down the fight in a 30,000 stadium for big money. For him to go to the extreme in asking for Wembley, yet again showed what a joke of a man Ward really was. This was before all the Wembley fights too. So it wasn't Ward seeing it first hand and wanting a slice of it. No, it was a road block to make sure the rematch didn't happen. He never wanted to travel, just like he didn't in the Super Six when he cheated Kessler.

I stopped reading at 7-5 lol. Froch barely won 2 rounds

Is it because he’s Eddie’s mate?

Froch was a very good fighter, Ward was elite. They could’ve for 10 more times and Froch would never win.

[eco1]

Run balls of the world, RUN! Poor genitals!

[Sid-Knee]

I stopped reading at 7-5 lol. Froch barely won 2 rounds

Is it because he’s Eddie’s mate?

Froch was a very good fighter, Ward was elite. They could’ve for 10 more times and Froch would never win.

Froch won 3 of the last remaining rounds due to Ward backtracking around the ring because he gassed out. And that was against a Froch who didn't pressure him. Just imagine if he did from the start like he should have... Froch also won a couple of the earlier rounds too. Without scoring it live, because i just like to watch fights and enjoy it, i thought Ward had won clearly. But when i came to score it later, i was surprised to have it that close. Same thing happened with the De La Hoya rematch with Mosley. Live, i thought Oscar had done enough, only to have Mosley by 1 when i scored it. Take all the emotion out of it and just score it cold is the best way to go.

Regardless of how much a fighter wins the first fight, a rematch should be given if it makes sense. This definitely made sense. Turpin dominated Robinson the first time. Should he have not given the rematch and ran like Americans do all the time, but expect the rematch if it doesn't go their way? F3ck out of here. I suppose Douglas was elite, and Tyson just very good then? Sorry, but it doesn't work like that. Same thing with Barrera and Jr Jones who beat him twice.

Froch was an ATG. Ward is the one who achieved very little.

Bute: Great win.
Taylor: Great win.
groves x2: 2 good wins.
Johnson: Good win.
Pascal: great win.
Abraham: Good win.
Dirrell: Good win.
Kessler: Very good win.

For Ward...

Froch: ATG win.
Abraham: Good win. (Ward should be thankful for me calling it good when you consider Abraham was coming off two lopsided losses)

Bike: Good win. (Again, he should be thankful considering Bika had only 1 round of action in 16 months. And Ward only won due to Bika dipping in energy at the halfway mark. Bika was well on his way to winning, but had to settle for a close loss by 2 points on my card. Those score cards were grotesque having Ward winning practically every round. He won close, and only due to Bika gassing as Bika would have won had he been active. Ward didn't like it when a fighter could fight with him on the inside. he likes those who have no inside game what so ever. And Bika is only decent on the inside. But that's all he needed to be to have that kind of success. Any better on the inside and Ward losses big)

Dawson: Drained a whole weight class. Meant nothing.
Kovalev: Robberies in both fights. 1st due to points. 2nd due to low blows when Kovalev was clearly ahead on points. Both meant nothing in the way of wins as he didn't win either fight.
Kessler: Clinched and held all night. Repeated headbutts that brought the fight to an end and had to go to the score cards. Ward and his little set up wasn't going to allow another American defeat in the tournament after the other two losses. meant nothing as he should have been DQ'd.

I give 1 point for a good world class win. 2 points for a very good win. 3 points for a great win. 4 points for an ATG win. This is how i measure whether someone should get in the HOF or not. I ask for any fighter to reach 11 points before they get in.

Froch has 16 points. He's definitely in.
Ward has 6 points. He most certainly doesn't get in. The fact he is is just Americans desperate to put their guys in no matter what. They don't belong there. Fighters such as Eubank, Benn and Froch are yet to be inducted. That's a disgrace which is why i consider that place to be illegitimate. But for the sake of judging a fighters worth and whether they were ATG's or not, i have the 11 points system.

[just the facts]

Froch won 3 of the last remaining rounds due to Ward backtracking around the ring because he gassed out. And that was against a Froch who didn't pressure him. Just imagine if he did from the start like he should have... Froch also won a couple of the earlier rounds too. Without scoring it live, because i just like to watch fights and enjoy it, i thought Ward had won clearly. But when i came to score it later, i was surprised to have it that close. Same thing happened with the De La Hoya rematch with Mosley. Live, i thought Oscar had done enough, only to have Mosley by 1 when i scored it. Take all the emotion out of it and just score it cold is the best way to go.

Regardless of how much a fighter wins the first fight, a rematch should be given if it makes sense. This definitely made sense. Turpin dominated Robinson the first time. Should he have not given the rematch and ran like Americans do all the time, but expect the rematch if it doesn't go their way? F3ck out of here. I suppose Douglas was elite, and Tyson just very good then? Sorry, but it doesn't work like that. Same thing with Barrera and Jr Jones who beat him twice.

Froch was an ATG. Ward is the one who achieved very little.

Bute: Great win.
Taylor: Great win.
groves x2: 2 good wins.
Johnson: Good win.
Pascal: great win.
Abraham: Good win.
Dirrell: Good win.
Kessler: Very good win.

For Ward...

Froch: ATG win.
Abraham: Good win. (Ward should be thankful for me calling it good when you consider Abraham was coming off two lopsided losses)

Bike: Good win. (Again, he should be thankful considering Bika had only 1 round of action in 16 months. And Ward only won due to Bika dipping in energy at the halfway mark. Bika was well on his way to winning, but had to settle for a close loss by 2 points on my card. Those score cards were grotesque having Ward winning practically every round. He won close, and only due to Bika gassing as Bika would have won had he been active. Ward didn't like it when a fighter could fight with him on the inside. he likes those who have no inside game what so ever. And Bika is only decent on the inside. But that's all he needed to be to have that kind of success. Any better on the inside and Ward losses big)

Dawson: Drained a whole weight class. Meant nothing.
Kovalev: Robberies in both fights. 1st due to points. 2nd due to low blows when Kovalev was clearly ahead on points. Both meant nothing in the way of wins as he didn't win either fight.
Kessler: Clinched and held all night. Repeated headbutts that brought the fight to an end and had to go to the score cards. Ward and his little set up wasn't going to allow another American defeat in the tournament after the other two losses. meant nothing as he should have been DQ'd.

I give 1 point for a good world class win. 2 points for a very good win. 3 points for a great win. 4 points for an ATG win. This is how i measure whether someone should get in the HOF or not. I ask for any fighter to reach 11 points before they get in.

Froch has 16 points. He's definitely in.
Ward has 6 points. He most certainly doesn't get in. The fact he is is just Americans desperate to put their guys in no matter what. They don't belong there. Fighters such as Eubank, Benn and Froch are yet to be inducted. That's a disgrace which is why i consider that place to be illegitimate. But for the sake of judging a fighters worth and whether they were ATG's or not, i have the 11 points system.

Does anyone ever give any credibility to this jack off and his ignorant opinions?

[Sid-Knee]

Does anyone ever give any credibility to this jack off and his ignorant opinions?

Be specific and tell me what you think is "Ignorant"?

Credibility is having what you say stand up to scrutiny. Lack of credibility is saying, basically nothing, but trying to cast it off as credible. Debate. It is a forum after all.

[Sid-Knee]

Dude, unless you are telling me you believe Bute beats Ward you just said a whole lot of nothing. He beat Froch once and he would had beaten him again. Next topic.

Ward believed Bute would win. That's why he ducked him twice. Unless of course you're going to say you know more than Ward himself?

Loads of fighters in history win fights but lose the rematch. Refusing to rematch and running away with your win is for cowards. It would have been a crime had Turpin not given Robinson a rematch after dominating him. History would be very different. Same with many rematches. A fighter should be allowed to change his tactics and be given a rematch if it makes sense. It made all the sense in the world.

[JERMELL_CHARLO_]

SOG vs Nelo should happen #ForDaCulture

[Sid-Knee]

I can’t believe you honestly believe this. I can’t believe you think bute would beat Andre ward and I seriously can’t believe you think froch would win a rematch against ward. I mean if the fight was in the UK I definitely think Froch probably could had lost a spilt decision but actually win ? He’s not out boxing him, he’s not knocking him out. Ward is not a washed up Jermain Taylor that wins 11 rounds then doesn’t hold and gets knocked out. This is crazy.

There’s a few boxers during wards time i think could had beaten him but those weren’t it.

Wait, did you say "I can't believe you honestly believe that" then go on to claim Taylor was washed up when he was actually prime, but go even further by making the claim that Taylor won all 11 completed rounds? Hahahahahaha. Madness. This myth of Taylor winning clearly until getting knocked out in the dying seconds of the final round, is just that, a myth. Only the judges had it Taylor's favour and loonies in the US.. But that's the corruption of the US like i knew it would be. Carl had to knock Taylor out otherwise they weren't going to let him leave with his title fighting where he did. But i, with British writers who were ringside, had it either even going into the 12th and final round, or Froch by 1 point. I had Froch by 1. Then lets say Taylor gets dropped twice but survives to the final bell, that's a 10-7 round for Froch. Which means Froch would have won by 4 points on my card. But not by the corrupt judges card. Not by the insanity of Americans to keep on spewing this hideous myth that Taylor dominated. It's like the Holmes/Witherspoon fight. Holmes clearly wins that one. But through bitterness, most claim it was a robbery. It wasn't anything of the sort.

Froch couldn't knock Ward out? Of course he can. Ward doesn't have a great chin. How often has Ward taken a good shot without going down or being badly wobbled? Kovalev didn't even come close to landing clean. Yet he dropped Ward and forced him into survival mode with all the clinching all the way to the final bell. Boone badly dropped Ward, and should have got a draw. Ward didn't lose, but he didn't win either. And was it Findley where he was badly rocked? Who else landed with a good shot clean where Ward took it? Froch would have to come forward with the pressure to grind Ward down and not try and counter a fighter with faster hands and feet than him. That's ******. But it was still a close fight, with Froch in a weak position. What do you think happens if Froch fights with the tactics he's supposed to? You damn right he could beat Ward and stop him. It's delusion to think otherwise like Ward has an iron chin. he doesn't. Froch had his rematch with Kessler, and changed his tactics and won. The same could be done with Ward. But he ran and ducked.

What would you say if Turpin refused the Robinson rematch after dominating him? Answer this. Would you always believe Turpin would dominate and win? Or do you think Robinson could win the rematch because of his quality? You should never just run off with your win like a brat and never give the opportunity back.

Why wouldn't Bute win? Because Froch destroyed him? Styles make fights. Ward was scared of that uppercut, which is why he ducked him TWICE. Ward had in front of him the fight that every fan wanted in the division. The money was there. But Ward refused? Yeah, he really believed in himself didn't he... Froch pressured Bute with power and a great chin. Ward does not fight like this. He'd be a lot more cautious. Bute is the better pure boxer. The harder hitter. So how would Ward go about this? Break it down for me?

[eco1]

Beware ll of you who have balls, the ball grabber and hitter might be back.

Also, if you are Russian, beware of the crooked judging.

[#1PaperChamp]

I do rate Ward highly, but he retired very young to avoid other potentially tough fights and to protect his 0, which in all honesty, he should have lost in the Kovalev 1 fight. It's a shame that the Krusher was no more after Ward Krushed his balls in the rematch.

To be fair Ward obliterated Kovalevs chin too but everyone focuses on the very end when the fight was stopped. Tony Weekes, how he finds work i dont know, botched another ref gig.