Roach Says Mayweather-Marquez Will Bomb on PPV

[handler000]

FWIW, here's the Floyd/Hatton numbers from different sources. Initial numbers said it was 850K buys:

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=mayweather%2Fhatton+ppv+buys&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-701

And here's an article about a Michael Koncz interview saying after all the numbers were in, the US ppv sales for the Pac/Hatton fight was 930k. I wouldn't give it much weight though since it could a bias statement but since the initial count after a day or two after the Pac/Hatton fight was 860k, so it could still be closer to the truth than a hype job.

http://philboxing.com/news/list.arti...id=10&id=25788

Like I said. Arum refused to release PPV numbers!! So it's safe to say the fight didn't live up to FMJ vs. Hatton. It didn't do as well in the US or England.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4165901&name=rafael_dan

[gopi11]

For the good of boxing, I hope the Mayweather/JMM fight will succeed and get an above average PPV buys. I think the success or failure of this bout will also reflect the financial outcome of the Pacquiao/Cotto fight.

The present economy will play a big factor in the success of both fights.

I beg to disagree. The Calzaghe/Jones and Oscar/Pac fight was a month apart. They both have their own 24/7s to hype up the fights, the Joe/Roy fight stunk with 225k buys while the other did better than everybody expected. One fight has got nothing to do with the other, even in these tough and trying times...

[shortyG]

Pac and Cotto would still sell like crazy man! I think people are more willing to buy if they know that the fight is going to last a good while. Problem with boxing nowadays is that everyone is scared to pay and then the match ends in like 2 Rounds.

[MCM Traynor]

I agree with your comments, to a point.

Both these guys are intelligent, highly skilled fighters. The central tenet of each is, I think, adaptability. That's what can make this a worthwhile fight, even if it will not be so in the traditional sense (although I find it hard to believe that there won't be fireworks - Marquez and Mayweather are more than capable of that).

But I think Roach is making a fair point (albeit an extremely biased one). Neither of these guys are going to drum up the sort of interest Pac-Cotto will because they aren't straight up offensive fighters. I'm not saying that they can't step into that role, since both have, as you've demonstrated, done so in the past, but in terms of the selling of this card, this fight can appear to be a mismatch between a bigger defense master against a smaller counter-puncher, if only to the casual fan.

Personally, I am fascinated to see how it will unfold, but I can also see how the average viewer could be indifferent to such a bout. Ultimately, I think that the most alluring thing about this fight are the ring smarts and explosive skill of Marquez, and the natural talent of Mayweather and his equally natural compulsion towards the role of the villian.

To be very honest (and this is the fight Roach is in part promoting), the Pac-Cotto match up is far more interesting to the casual fan, as it is (in general) to the habitual one. But it is worth noting that Liebling always complained about the popularity of such rough fighters in his time. So perhaps it is good to know that there is a group of viewers out there who desire to see skill and intelligence ahead of "firepower" and blood. I can't say I am of either category, but I can tell you that I am looking forward to both fights.

Let Roach say what Roach has to say. Likewise Mayweather and Cotto and Oscar and Natcho. They prepare and sell the fights, we watch them, and the fighters make them.

We should keep that in mind.

[gopi11]

Like I said. Arum refused to release PPV numbers!! So it's safe to say the fight didn't live up to FMJ vs. Hatton. It didn't do as well in the US or England. At least get your numbers from a reputable website.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/...ame=rafael_dan

Let's just say we go by the numbers you've found, 850k vs. 915k. Here's what the other poster (mtho1) said; "The biggest fight PAC has ever had grossed around half the amount for Floyd's fight against Hatton.", which is pretty much off the mark, and Pac's biggest fight was against Oscar if we go by numbers, which even eclipsed the Floyd/Hatton fight. That poster is just a hater and a Floyd nutlicker, nothing more, nothing less...

[MCM Traynor]

That was directed towards Queloque, by the way.

You said:

" Roach is a selfish prick. His desire for Mayweather (and boxing consequently) to do bad, so Pac and them can have the upper hand in negotiations makes him a ****.

Fact is: both fighters prefer to counter punch, but when they're facing a fighter that's not coming forward they take the lead. It's happened time and time again in JMM's and Floyd's fights.

Mayweather has gone forward against: Judah, Mitchell, Gatti, Bruseles, Corley, etc.

JMM has gone forward against: Casamayor, Juarez, Barrera, etc.

These are elite fighters that can switch it up when ever they have to, they're not going to be staring at each other. Stop trying to ruin this fight, you selfish prick."

[handler000]

I beg to disagree. The Calzaghe/Jones and Oscar/Pac fight was a month apart. They both have their own 24/7s to hype up the fights, the Joe/Roy fight stunk with 225k buys while the other did better than everybody expected. One fight has got nothing to do with the other, even in these tough and trying times...

Are you comparing any of those 3 fighters to DLH drawing power? When has DLH did less than 500k buys and when had PAC did more than 500k before he fought DLH? Funny thing about PAC's fans they want it both ways. They say DLH was the big draw when he fought FMJ but don't say the same when that is PAC's biggest draw to date. But than use the excuse of the economy is the reason FMJ-DLH did more than a million buys more than PAC's fight with DLH..

[gopi11]

I agree with your comments, to a point.

Both these guys are intelligent, highly skilled fighters. The central tenet of each is, I think, adaptability. That's what can make this a worthwhile fight, even if it will not be so in the traditional sense (although I find it hard to believe that there won't be fireworks - Marquez and Mayweather are more than capable of that).

But I think Roach is making a fair point (albeit an extremely biased one). Neither of these guys are going to drum up the sort of interest Pac-Cotto will because they aren't straight up offensive fighters. I'm not saying that they can't step into that role, since both have, as you've demonstrated, done so in the past, but in terms of the selling of this card, this fight can appear to be a mismatch between a bigger defense master against a smaller counter-puncher, if only to the casual fan.

Personally, I am fascinated to see how it will unfold, but I can also see how the average viewer could be indifferent to such a bout. Ultimately, I think that the most alluring thing about this fight are the ring smarts and explosive skill of Marquez, and the natural talent of Mayweather and his equally natural compulsion towards the role of the villian.

To be very honest (and this is the fight Roach is in part promoting), the Pac-Cotto match up is far more interesting to the casual fan, as it is (in general) to the habitual one. But it is worth noting that Liebling always complained about the popularity of such rough fighters in his time. So perhaps it is good to know that there is a group of viewers out there who desire to see skill and intelligence ahead of "firepower" and blood. I can't say I am of either category, but I can tell you that I am looking forward to both fights.

Let Roach say what Roach has to say. Likewise Mayweather and Cotto and Oscar and Natcho. They prepare and sell the fights, we watch them, and the fighters make them.

We should keep that in mind.

What he said...

[kadyo's]

I agree with your comments, to a point.

Both these guys are intelligent, highly skilled fighters. The central tenet of each is, I think, adaptability. That's what can make this a worthwhile fight, even if it will not be so in the traditional sense (although I find it hard to believe that there won't be fireworks - Marquez and Mayweather are more than capable of that).

But I think Roach is making a fair point (albeit an extremely biased one). Neither of these guys are going to drum up the sort of interest Pac-Cotto will because they aren't straight up offensive fighters. I'm not saying that they can't step into that role, since both have, as you've demonstrated, done so in the past, but in terms of the selling of this card, this fight can appear to be a mismatch between a bigger defense master against a smaller counter-puncher, if only to the casual fan.

Personally, I am fascinated to see how it will unfold, but I can also see how the average viewer could be indifferent to such a bout. Ultimately, I think that the most alluring thing about this fight are the ring smarts and explosive skill of Marquez, and the natural talent of Mayweather and his equally natural compulsion towards the role of the villian.

To be very honest (and this is the fight Roach is in part promoting), the Pac-Cotto match up is far more interesting to the casual fan, as it is (in general) to the habitual one. But it is worth noting that Liebling always complained about the popularity of such rough fighters in his time. So perhaps it is good to know that there is a group of viewers out there who desire to see skill and intelligence ahead of "firepower" and blood. I can't say I am of either category, but I can tell you that I am looking forward to both fights.

Let Roach say what Roach has to say. Likewise Mayweather and Cotto and Oscar and Natcho. They prepare and sell the fights, we watch them, and the fighters make them.

We should keep that in mind.

WoW!!! solid post sir, hope to see more posts from you.

[gopi11]

Are you comparing any of those 3 fighters to DLH drawing power? When has DLH did less than 500k buys and when had PAC did more than 500k before he fought DLH? Funny thing about PAC's fans they want it both ways. They say DLH was the big draw when he fought FMJ but don't say the same when that is PAC's biggest draw to date. But than use the excuse of the economy is the reason FMJ-DLH did more than a million buys more than PAC's fight with DLH..

Do you really want to know how many ppv buys Oscar did was under 500k? Here's a few:

Rafael Ruelas - 330K
Genaro Hernandez - 220k
Miguel Angel Gonzalez - 345k
Wilfredo Rivera - 240k
Javier Castillejo - 400k, and that's after he fought Quartey and Trinidad
Yory Boy Campas - 350k, that was after the Fernando Vargas fight
Felix Sturm - 380k, After the Mosley II fight, and with Hopkins as a co main event


Every boxer can get bigger (or smaller depending on his last fight) after a fight, or a certain boxer has built-in fans (who's willing to shell out) due to his nationality, ethnicity, color or race, or he can bomb out in the box office because of a wrong dancing partner, and Oscar's boxing history, however big he was, will prove you that.

I'm no Pac huthugger, I'm a boxing fan first and foremost who happens to have someone from his own who's on top of the boxing world right now, I just see it as a bonus. I can dissect things for you rationally and I will not definitely spew fire out my ass from time to time (check your Oscar ppv buys post and check this response) just to make someone look ******, because it might bite you in the ass in the future, and it did just happened to you...