Terence Crawford Calls Out Canelo Alvarez: You Have Shied Away From Black Fighters! You Wanted NO Part of Andrade or Charlo!

[El_Maldito_Rey]

There just aren't any good black boxers around his weight class. Is Andrade really that good? What has he done to show that he's a threat? Charlo turned him down twice, and is hiding at PBC.

So what other good black boxers are out there?

[TernceBudCharlo]

crawfords had like 5-6 fights at 147 and hasn’t fought any of the top guys.

Canelo is about to take his 4th fight at 168 and if he wins he’ll get his 3rd major belt at that weight.

them is facts.

He humiliated Jeff Horn who was a world champion and just whooped Pacquiao's ass. This wasn't even 3 years ago. He was calling out Spence but then Spence was saying too bad you on the wrong side of the street. Nobody even mentioned Porter as an opponent until last year,

[-Kev-]

It's called a gimmick my man! If you want people to tune in and watch your fights then you must make things interesting. Now tell me what's more interesting and controversial in the sport of boxing than the use of race? I like this new version of Bud Crawford. If he keeps this up he would become a huge PPV star after all.

To become a boxing star you need to fight top names. He is boring and bland and shies away from top fighters. Crawford will never be a “huge” ppv star or even a moderately known ppv star. He’s 33 and his time to shine has passed. Boxers get better with age up to a certain extent. There is an age where most fighters degrade after that and Crawford is at that age. He isn’t going to sell ppv’s fighting nobodies. If he really wants to make headlines he should move up to 160 and fight Charlo or Andrade as he is hyping them up so much. He is the one who needs top guys on his resume not Canelo.

[#1PaperChamp]

Yeah, he fought old Cotto, old Mosely, old Golovkin (who still gave him a tough time), shot Kovalev and overrated Smith. Besides weak ass Callum, the only prime guys he faced in the group you named are Floyd and Jacobs. BJS is a good fighter, but let's be honest here, besides a slight possibility of outboxing Canelo for a few rounds, what real threat is he? Face it, the guy rarely fights anyone whom is considered likely to beat him, or even give him a real challenge. And don't give me that, "Maybe he's just that good" crap.

Using your standards both Charlo and Andrade have fought literally NOBODY. Charlos best win was Julian Williams whose turned out to be a complete hypejob.

Andrade has a win over Vanes like 12 years ago lmfao...??? And he was KD by Vanes lol...now he fights C rated (or worse) opponent after C rated opponent.

Charlo barks a lot but ducked Jacobs and ducked Canelo (Jermell even taunts his bro for not taking the fight).

Theres not a single WW, JMW, MW, SMW, LHW, CW, or HW whose fought more HOF opposition than Canelo. Pac is only exception

[#1PaperChamp]

He could have just said he thinks he is avoiding Charlo and Andrade. Obviously Canelo has fought black fighters. Now, how many top P4P black fighters has Crawford fought? If you say Brook and Indongo you’ll be laughed out of here.

He fought Floyd who was #1. He fought Jacobs, Kirkland, and Trout who were all meaningful in his weight class when they fought.

There are no meaningful black opponents at SMW. Charlo passed on a Canelo fight at MW in 2019 although there hasnt ever been an Andrade offer to my knowledge...not that Andrade or Charlo are meaningful opponents as theyve beaten nobody.

[GhostofDempsey]

He fought Floyd who was #1. He fought Jacobs, Kirkland, and Trout who were all meaningful in his weight class when they fought.

There are no meaningful black opponents at SMW. Charlo passed on a Canelo fight at MW in 2019 although there hasnt ever been an Andrade offer to my knowledge...not that Andrade or Charlo are meaningful opponents as theyve beaten nobody.

Charlo turned down $12M to fight Canelo at MW. I honestly don't know too many fans who really think a Canelo/Andrade fight would be worth the cost of the PPV. But I do agree there should have been more effort to have an undisputed champion at 160, but there is plenty of blame to go around with all of these belts, sanctioning bodies and promoters who don't want to work with one another.

[pugilistprophet1994]

Didn't know black was a style. Trout, Lara, and Jacobs are black. Weird.

[Marchegiano]

Let me speak on this, style, nonsense:

The "black style" I'm not so sure of, pretty much the basic boxing style imo. Hit and don't be hit, most boxers box, a few are punchers, you can throw counter-punchers in as a "style" but really it's just boxing with an acumen for counters. Punchers are different because they care less about getting hit and thereby giving up points and more about doing damage.

So in my mind the black is just one of the main two. Everything else we add is kinda a specific modifier. Like swarmer. Is a swarmer a puncher or boxer? Mosley and Marciano could both be called swarmer, Mosley's way more boxer than Marciano.


Okay, but, is hit and don't be hit back boxing black?

Yes, to a degree I think that is fair to say.

If we look across boxing today black boxing is lost, or taken, as the mainstream, everyone hits and doesn't get hit back. There's way more boxers than punchers, there's even the belief that all punchers eventually run into a boxer who exploits the flaws of punching. Even though the only 0 at HW is a puncher's 0 and every single great HW boxer got beaten, not just beaten, ktfo.

Where did that come from? A *** named Mendoza started it. An Iberian *** from London in the 18th century.

The ***, his moniker not being racist, incorporated defense tactics that were seen and hated as cowardly in the puncher's world, bare knuckle.

His retirement was like any other from his era, he opened a gym and taught boxing. His willingness to train black men makes him the first man to train a black man who fights for the HW title.

His trainees include Richmond and Molyneaux.

Richmond was said to have been cheated by Cribb

Moly is said to have been cheated by Cribb in such a way he still got awarded a belt for the fight.

From Moly's fame many blacks came to England and trained under Richmond

This is the birth of boxing, as a style, as we know it.

By the mid 19thy century black boxing is separated and different from white boxing. Black boxers use sparring as training where whites did not. Black boxers used gloves for sparring, exhibitions, and even some fight while whites saw gloves as a means to test a new man, or, train a lord without disfiguring them or hitting like a *****. Black boxers fought more often to make up for the less money and tried to keep themselves healthy enough for the next pay day. Whites had recovery time and the finances to enjoy such a luxury.

The defense first strat comes from an English *** of Iberian decent, the details of hit and don't be hit back boxing comes from black trainers such as Richmond and his counter punching or Hewlett-Molyneaux with his inclusion of sparring as training and so on.

By the time Corbett is dodging punches black men have been doing the same for 100 years. En mass for about 40.


So, is there a black style? I don't think so. We never, ever, attribute a slick white guy to black boxing. No one calls Loma a black style fighter. Does Loma hit and try not to be hit back? That's what black fighters brought to boxing....if there was a black style we'd call loma black in style.



Conversely, the Mexican high guard pressure puncher, is that Mexican, or as old as bare knuckle itself? Call it Mexican until a Japanese does it...


So, yeah, there's ground to the claim but in practice blacks didn't create a style some use, blacks created the main style most use. Making it mainstream, not black specific.

If you're Ali-esque ....Fury.... then you fight like the great black men of the past and a ***. If you're a little more Marciano then you fight like the great bare knuckle champions who scoffed at the afro-*** school of thought in boxing.



Sidebar- this is one of the major reasons I believe the lineage of colored fighters should be acknowledged in lineal as a major former title that became part of the lineal tapestry no different than the UK or US titles. It takes the US lineage meeting the UK lineage to make the first World title but the World title had to be combined with the Colored title to get boxing as you know it today. We nix the colored as a less than major and include the US from before it was a major title and the UK title from before international fights took place in any sizable numbers.

Folks are more willing to include Hyer and Figg as "lineal" champions while exing Langford. Langford is way more champion than Figg or Hyer even dreamed to be. Way more legitimate claim than man just decided to make a claim and public paid attention.

[HrNY]

CANELO
Jacobs
Kirkland
Lara
Mayweather
Trout
Mosley

MAYWEATHER
Berto
Mosley
Judah
Mitchell
Corley
Corrales

PACQUIAO
Thurman
Broner
Bradley 3 times
Mayweather
Mosley
Clottey
Ledwaba

I guess Bud says the same for Mayweather and Pacquiao?

I wonder if Bud counts Lara, Clottey, Ledwaba or are they not black enough(The irony here, especially with how dark Cloetty is)?

Crawford sounds desperate and wants his shot at the Canelo lottery. I wouldn't mind it actually, Bud boxes his ears off or gets knocked out, it's a Win Win situation for me. I'd rather see this than the guys Canelo's been fighting.

[deathofaclown]

He fought Jacobs just a few fights ago?

Also there hasn’t really been that many good black fighters at 160 and 168 in recent years for him to fight?