Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Canelo, Adrien Broner, Dirrell-Davis, More

[Kiowhatta]

Great mailbag. Some very intelligent questions and answers. It never ceases to amaze me how quickly fans can turn on a fighter, ala Lomachenko. Before Lopez, most people were singing his praises and marvelling at his extraordinary powers; now he's just an afterthought.

Lomachenko for all his talent merely ventured to high on the weight scale. Probably 9 times out of ten his talent would have compensated for this, but he ran into a very good fighter in Lopez. Let's also not forget Loma put THREE hard-won belts on the line to Lopez's one.

On the subject of P4P, I don't think Canelo is there yet. If he unifies 168 and retires with another loss to a great fighter, there is a case to be made. I think that case is mostly centred around his ability to improve. I also believe he's dedicated to the sport, despite his surly impersonal attitude.

One thing that is often overlooked is Mayweather's exceptional conditioning over his career. It would have been a huge challenge for any fighter once they 'arrive' and have achieved all that they can to stay in shape, remain focused and keep doing the work day in day out.

Also, why is Crawford totally responsible for securing fights? most of the time they are at least only partially responsible, with negotiations regularly taking more time than a supreme court challenge. IMO, PBC has never been good for the sport. Haymon is in no way connected with boxing other than as a money-making enterprise.
There's nothing illegal about that, but he has introduced or at the very least, accentuated a culture of minimal fights, inter-promotional rivalry and pure profit-making.
I never thought I'd say this but Don King was better for boxing than Haymon. Not for boxers, but for the sport, because he was involved, he was a fan.

[Thuglife Nelo]

if you’re good with cheating, cool. But Stop trying to convince people who are smarter than you otherwise.

WADA are the HNIC!

[Jab jab boom]

WADA are the HNIC!

Canelo cheated , had a fight cancelled because of it and served a suspension. Nothing you say can erase that fact.

[ShoulderRoll]

Canelo cheated , had a fight cancelled because of it and served a suspension. Nothing you say can erase that fact.

He didn't cheat if the tainted meat story is true.

Since it's a real thing in Mexico and entire sports teams have tested positive for clenbuterol when in that country. Even the NFL has issued warnings wbout this to it's players.

[Jab jab boom]

He didn't cheat if the tainted meat story is true.

Since it's a real thing in Mexico and entire sports teams have tested positive for clenbuterol when in that country. Even the NFL has issued warnings wbout this to it's players.

every cheater has an excuse when they get caught. He’s the richest boxer in Mexico and chose not to take precautions for a known problem that could impact his career) The soccer team that tested positive because of meat did so back in 2011, that’s way before canelo did so plenty of time to take precautions, the older Reynoso is a butcher by trade so he should’ve known better, you haven’t heard of any other Mexican athlete testing positive for it since, when he got caught it was the furthest out from a fight he had ever been tested and the first time vada actually went to Mexico to test him, clen is known to help with cutting weight- he was previously fighting at 155 for years and said he needed time to grow into 160, but after getting caught, he only had two more fights at 160 and then said he couldn’t make the weight anymore.... so basically all of the above has to be ignored and we’re to believe him saying he ate a bad taco. Ok

[ShoulderRoll]

every cheater has an excuse when they get caught. He’s the richest boxer in Mexico and chose not to take precautions for a known problem that could impact his career) The soccer team that tested positive because of meat did so back in 2011, that’s way before canelo did so plenty of time to take precautions, the older Reynoso is a butcher by trade so he should’ve known better, you haven’t heard of any other Mexican athlete testing positive for it since, when he got caught it was the furthest out from a fight he had ever been tested and the first time vada actually went to Mexico to test him, clen is known to help with cutting weight- he was previously fighting at 155 for years and said he needed time to grow into 160, but after getting caught, he only had two more fights at 160 and then said he couldn’t make the weight anymore.... so basically all of the above has to be ignored and we’re to believe him saying he ate a bad taco. Ok

A Mexican race walker tested positive for trenbolone in 2018, actually. Which is similar to clenbuterol and also fed to cattle down there.

Olympic athlete tests positive for steroid: was it from store-bought meat?
https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/oly...e-for-steroid/



50 people fell sick from eating contaminated meat in the Mexican state of Morelos just 7 months ago:

Suspected Clenbuterol poisonings in Mexico under investigation
https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2020/...investigation/


That was all found with a quick search.. I'm sure there are more examples if I dig further. Bottom line? This is obviously still an issue.

The amounts of clenbuterol found in Canelo's tests were consistent with eating tainted meat. He has since done VADA testing numerous times (including his last two fights), hasn't been dirty again, and has performed BETTER than when he was supposedly using a PED.

[Thuglife Nelo]

A Mexican race walker tested positive for trenbolone in 2018, actually. Which is similar to clenbuterol and also fed to cattle down there.

Olympic athlete tests positive for steroid: was it from store-bought meat?
https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/oly...e-for-steroid/



50 people fell sick from eating contaminated meat in the Mexican state of Morelos just 7 months ago:

Suspected Clenbuterol poisonings in Mexico under investigation
https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2020/...investigation/


That was all found with a quick search.. I'm sure there are more examples if I dig further. Bottom line? This is obviously still an issue.

The amounts of clenbuterol found in Canelo's tests were consistent with eating tainted meat. He has since done VADA testing numerous times (including his last two fights), hasn't been dirty again, and has performed BETTER than when he was supposedly using a PED.

The problem with meat contamination stories is what’s plausible and all circumstancial evidence. They reach for straws with Canelo which isn’t remotely the same as Alberto Contador. Contador had one positive test in between negative tests the week he won his competition. In fact if I recall he had a positive finding 3 days before he won. In the Tour De France race they’re always testing the bikers throughout the race. So this story was highly su****ious because they questioned the origin of the meat from where he ate when they assumed he did some IV flush with his finding stemming from cross contamination from another PED. The theory for contamination makes sense but the location and time of the adverse finding makes it highly unreasonable.

Contador’s story was so big that years later WADA started investigation due to discriminatory observance.

With Canelo having refused the notorious Mexican belt with Sulaiman’s ego wanting to collect fees, I am more than certain WBC-CBP exploited the situation knowing of the already continuous cases of Clen with Mexican boxers. Goodman’s circle of affiliates whom follow WADA’s research and guidelines knew of the upcoming ********* in 2019, just a year later. Coincidence? VADA claims non-profit but that’s all publicity for what the organization aims for. VADA benefits from WBC-CBP like testing boxers as guinea pigs. The biggest name in boxing said he didn’t care about the WBC mandate. How is that boxing fans make fun of Sulaiman that he loves Canelo? Again, the character of wanting to feed off Canelo’s power to boost his father’s WBC iconic brand s
clearly shows cause of a malicious attempt to “discipline” Canelo for not wanting the belt and not collecting the huge GGG fight fee.

this is simple politics.

and notice how no boxing fans question why WADA amended a new threshold. That makes absolutely no sense for fans to not boycott WADA if they truly believe in cheating.

[Thuglife Nelo]

He didn't cheat if the tainted meat story is true.

Since it's a real thing in Mexico and entire sports teams have tested positive for clenbuterol when in that country. Even the NFL has issued warnings wbout this to it's players.

Breadman will never address Clenbuterol being amended. If Canelo had a result, formal conclusion from a lab director, that it wasn’t consistent with meat contamination and that it was at let’s say 3.5ng then Breadman would say “well that was way above the new allowed threshold, so the meat story is hard to believe.” Such a simple fact that there’s a new ********* is what Breadman, the LDBC, and the rest of the Canelo haters don’t like to admit because it goes against their hate to trick others. NOBODY would’ve even thought WADA would make a revision. I posted the article from WADA’s site on this forum with almost 20k views in the thread. Months later Dan Rafael publishes an article on it on ESPN. Even months later the WBC advice industry that they exonerated two new boxers by following WADA’s new guideline.

[The D3vil]

1. I am seeing/reading more and more regarding the conversations around Canelo about other world champions/titlists having to "earn the right" to fight him. Everytime another champion fights in 160-175lbs during a title defense, boxing media then flocks the conversation surrounding the fighter and if he's done enough in his "audition" or "sweepstakes" for a Canelo fight. Canelo is a hell of a fighter and is working towards ATG status, if he has a goal to unify and other titlists also want to unify, why is that a problem? Why are the other titlists all of a sudden not good enough? When the likes of Sweet Pea, RJJ, DLH, Floyd, and Manny were dominating and rated P4P No.1 were illogical conversations like this coming up? Were the people out there ever questioning if Buddy McGirt, Bernard Hopkins, Tito Trinidad, etc "earned" a fight with them? Bread help me to understand, am I tripping?

I've said this for years.

Once a guy is a champion, his goal should be to fight other champions and completely unify the division, nothing else.

GGG tried to do that

Lomachenko tried to do that.

Crawford did do that at 140.

Usyk did it at 200

Thank goodness Joshua & Fury are doing it at heavy.

Anybody else who's a champion and not trying to do that is suspect as hell to me.

With all that, Crawford is clearly number 1 pound for pound. He has no controversial wins on his resume and he is undefeated. He also has no PED history but the same cannot be said for Canelo.

Boom, there it is.

[Jab jab boom]

A Mexican race walker tested positive for trenbolone in 2018, actually. Which is similar to clenbuterol and also fed to cattle down there.

Olympic athlete tests positive for steroid: was it from store-bought meat?
https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/oly...e-for-steroid/



50 people fell sick from eating contaminated meat in the Mexican state of Morelos just 7 months ago:

Suspected Clenbuterol poisonings in Mexico under investigation
https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2020/...investigation/


That was all found with a quick search.. I'm sure there are more examples if I dig further. Bottom line? This is obviously still an issue.

The amounts of clenbuterol found in Canelo's tests were consistent with eating tainted meat. He has since done VADA testing numerous times (including his last two fights), hasn't been dirty again, and has performed BETTER than when he was supposedly using a PED.

1. Your first example isn’t clen. It’s actually a steroid which isn’t similar to clen. 2. Your second example isn’t referencing athletes. 3. If you know about clen, you know that unless he was tested within 6 days of taking it, only trace amounts would show up.
The amount of clenbuterol in the body decreases over time, which is why Canelo’s results decreased by a factor of 10 over three days from his first test to his second test. 4. Canelo looking good in recent performances doesn’t mean much because as I said, what he was taking helped him to cut weight comfortably, it doesn’t help boxing skills and lets be honest, his last 2-3 opponents were tailor made plodders. Styles he’s eaten up since he was in his early 20s. Just see his fights vs baldomir and Angulo. 5. As far as his testing, he did vada 24/7 for a year and then stopped. He then fought Kovalev with short notice, fought smith with very short notice and also fought Yidilgrim with short notice. Meaning, testing doesn’t start until the fight gets announced. He had plenty of time to use something and let it get out of his system before the fights were officially announced. And since vada doesn’t start until fights are official, doing that is very feasible.