Juan Diaz is overrated

[tito yuca]

Juan Diaz is not overrated, he is a good fighter. Thing is, Paulie Malignaggi is also a good fighter, but some people tend to forget this. He was in great shape tonight, had the right gameplan, and good corner work. The trainer gave great advice and the corner men made good work on his cut. He has always been fast and elusive, and what he lacks in power and strength, he makes up for with heart and determination.

Juan Diaz has the same heart and determination, but is Paulie's stylistic opposite, in that what he lacks in speed (even though I think he has above average hand speed) and elusiveness he makes up for with strength and relentlessness. We just saw two very good young fighters going at it. Of course they're limited (Paulie can't brawl very well and Juan can't beat you moving backwards), they're not ATG's, but that just made the fight more competitive and fun to watch.

[-EX-]

A few Marquez fans overrated him as if its a GREAT win on Marquez's resume...but its really a good win...

[Heru]

Well I actually like Berto...but wat did I say that was hating?

Didn't Marquez bloody and knock him out...and didn't Campbell beat his ass?

You said Marquez mopped the floor with him, like he was never in the fight and it's the leading candidate for FOTY in 09.

Campbell is high B level and was hungry as fuck, he fought on with the first cut of his career from the second round on and he still won his share of rounds. P4P, Nate Campbell and Jermain Taylor are even par and Bernard had a close fights with him without a cut.

You said faded Freitas and punching bag Katsidis. That's diminishing and downplaying his accomplishments aka hating. I don't disagree with it, but when you're looking at **** in hindsight, it's easy to forget what everyone thought before the fights.

[Mr. Fantastic]

Berto-Mosley might be on now if Berto wasn't offered peanuts...

Sure because Berto has done what again??? Oh yea, his biggest accomplishment was winning a VACANT Belt. And yet you think that chump deserves the lion's share .

[-EX-]

You said Marquez mopped the floor with him, like he was never in the fight and it's the leading candidate for FOTY in 09.

Campbell is high B level and was hungry as fuck, he fought on with the first cut of his career from the second round on and he still won his share of rounds. P4P, Nate Campbell and Jermain Taylor are even par and Bernard had a close fights with him without a cut.

You said faded Freitas and punching bag Katsidis. That's diminishing and downplaying his accomplishments aka hating. I don't disagree with it, but when you're looking at **** in hindsight, it's easy to forget what everyone thought before the fights.

The cut didn't happen until the mid rounds but I give him credit he has heart but I don't see what's special about the guy. No question he's a good fighter. But some have him on Marquez's resume like its a GREAT win...

Maybe you could argue about Freitas being faded but c'mon Katsidis is decent at best...defense isn't in his vocabulary...

[-EX-]

Sure because Berto has done what again??? Oh yea, his biggest accomplishment was winning a VACANT Belt. And yet you think that chump deserves the lion's share .

I didn't say he deserved the lion share...in his mind he deserves more...

And the vacant belt argument is useless cuz plenty of guys have won vacant belts...

Collazo aint no pushover...and Urango is an ok fighter...and Berto hasn't even touched his late 20's yet...

[Heru]

That cut affected him if you ask me...he wasn't jumpin on Marquez like he had been and his output dropped...and of course the fact that Marquez started whooping his ass...

I don't think he's elite that's just me...two old veterans beat his ass and he got dominated tonight by a feather fisted speed demon...

The cut had something to do with it because it helped distract him. Again, you ignore the pinpoint body punches and head shots Marquez was landing in the exchanges and all the punches Diaz threw and just say he faded. All that early work and the cut helped Marquez do his thing later on. That's why trainers say body punching is like putting money in the bank.

At 135 the kid was/is elite, only elite fighters are able to take rounds from that version of JMM, even in losses. He was facing a bigger, faster, stronger man tonight, hard to beat someone with all those advantages only HOF fighters like JMM can do that type of ish, and he doesn't seem to be elite above 135.

[Mr. Fantastic]

I didn't say he deserved the lion share...in his mind he deserves more...

And the vacant belt argument is useless cuz plenty of guys have won vacant belts...

Collazo aint no pushover...and Urango is an ok fighter...and Berto hasn't even touched his late 20's yet...

The dude wants like 2 million dollars that he really doesn't deserve.

Well he hasn't done **** with it other than rob Collazo, Urango had to come up but it was a BORING fight with Berto clinching non stop.

[Bushidō]

I'm not willing to say he is overrated but he can be outboxed and countered by the elite fighters

[street bully]

Juan Diaz is not overrated, he may be by some, but he is probably the best LW in the world now that Marquez and Campbell are not longer there. However he is elite at 135, but not at 140. In fact I think he should loose some flab and go down to 130. Honestly the beating and KO loss he took from Marquez may have damaged him, he also fights very badly when cuts. I disagree with a lot of what you have to say TS, but I do agree that if you give him angles, and smother his workrate he can be beaten very easily. I also think Malignaggi clearly beat him.

Also Berto is gabage and would lose to any top 5 WWs including Quintana.