Juan Diaz is overrated

[WhoreUs]

His stamina has been questioned against opponents who stand up to him...he seemed to fade against Marquez...

I guess we gotta disagree cuz I think he's a good figher but not elite...

what is elite to you?

if top 10 in his division is elite. he is.

if a champion/former champion is elite. he is.

if elite to you is HOFer? no? top 10 p4p? no.

depends on your definition.

your argument for being overrated doesn't make any sense.

no one overrates him. everyone thinks he's a good fighter. no one thinks he's a great.

[Mr. Fantastic]

Well I actually like Berto...but wat did I say that was hating?

Didn't Marquez bloody and knock him out...and didn't Campbell beat his ass?

And yet you have the nerve to say Juan Diaz is overrated. At least he fought Champions. Berto got a belt fed to him. Paper Champ.

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Whats the criteria for elite?

Everyone has a different definition there's no point in arguing it.

The quality of opponents you have beaten is most important to me...if Marquez and Campbell were still around he wouldn't be the man at 135 like he may be now...

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And yet you have the nerve to say Juan Diaz is overrated. At least he fought Champions. Berto got a belt fed to him. Paper Champ.

Put Berto and Diaz in the same ring pound for pound and you tell me wat happens...

Its not Berto's fault Floyd vacated his belt...

[Mr. Fantastic]

Put Berto and Diaz in the same ring pound for pound and you tell me wat happens...

Its not Berto's fault Floyd vacated his belt...

Why does it have to be them together in the ring?? Why doesn't Berto actually do the thing Champions do and fight other Champions in HIS WEIGHT CLASS.

Common if there wasn't hype behind Berto, that guy wouldn't even have that Paper belt right now.

[Heru]

His stamina has been questioned against opponents who stand up to him...he seemed to fade against Marquez...

I guess we gotta disagree cuz I think he's a good figher but not elite...

See this is the type of ridiculous **** that shows you're not watching the fight close enough. You ignore the pinpoint body punches and head shots Marquez was landing in the exchanges and all the punches Diaz threw and just say he faded.

It's like saying Hearns seemed to fade against Hagler.

At 135 the kid was/is elite. He was facing a bigger, stronger man tonight and he doesn't seem to be elite above 135.

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Why does it have to be them together in the ring?? Why doesn't Berto actually do the thing Champions do and fight other Champions in HIS WEIGHT CLASS.

Common if there wasn't hype behind Berto, that guy wouldn't even have that Paper belt right now.

Berto has no problem fighting Shane Mosley...

[Mr. Fantastic]

Berto has no problem fighting Shane Mosley...

Well I'm pretty sure he's going to get another "easy" fight before even stepping inside against Mosley. He's more protected than Osama Bin Laden.

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See this is the type of ridiculous **** that shows you're not watching the fight close enough. You ignore the pinpoint body punches and head shots Marquez was landing in the exchanges and all the punches Diaz threw and just say he faded.

It's like saying Hearns seemed to fade against Hagler.

At 135 the kid was/is elite. He was facing a bigger, stronger man tonight and he doesn't seem to be elite above 135.

That cut affected him if you ask me...he wasn't jumpin on Marquez like he had been and his output dropped...and of course the fact that Marquez started whooping his ass...

I don't think he's elite that's just me...two old veterans beat his ass and he got dominated tonight by a feather fisted speed demon...

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Well I'm pretty sure he's going to get another "easy" fight before even stepping inside against Mosley. He's more protected than Osama Bin Laden.

Berto-Mosley might be on now if Berto wasn't offered peanuts...