has RJ got his legs back?

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He did out box Taylor in their rematch. Hes just an all around better fighter then Lacy and more consistent. Also Lacy has been sliding ever since Calzaghe, and Kelly was in his prime.

he had a jab and a right hand and that was all he needed... in his prime... 10 lbs above his best weight with a fever...., a slow come forward one two puncher... dont act like pavlik wasnt tailor made for hopkins, dont even act like it.

That doesnt mean hop doesnt get cred for doing what he did at his age

and it dont mean pav isnt 10x what lacy is..

just dont act like pav wasnt tailor made for hopkins, alright.

[dino]

iv watched the fight a few times..am not saying that the 30year roy is back but his legs seemed to have alot more bounce..then the last 3/4fights where he seemed to drag his legs..what you guys think?did his legs look alot stronger??

oh yeah anyone know what song RJ came out to?

he LEANED ON THE ROPES THE WHOLE FIGHT how the hell does he have his legs back

[slicksouthpaw16]

he had a jab and a right hand and that was all he needed... in his prime... 10 lbs above his best weight with a fever...., a slow come forward one two puncher... dont act like pavlik wasnt tailor made for hopkins, dont even act like it.

That doesnt mean hop doesnt get cred for doing what he did at his age

and it dont mean pav isnt 10x what lacy is..

just dont act like pav wasnt tailor made for hopkins, alright.

He had a fever? That's the first time Ive heard that one. But anyway, the odds in Hopkins/Pavlik and Jones/Lacy couldn't be more different, in fact i think Bernard was about a 3 to 1 underdog. Almost EVERYONE thought that Pavlik would be too much for Hopkins because of his youth and stamina. Just because Kelly was one dimsensional, didn't mean he was made for Hopkins. Hopkins just made him look like he was tailor made for him.

Hopkins was 44 years old and beat a current belt holder that was in his prime. Jones was expected to beat Lacy, who was even more shot then he was. Not that he didn't look good( and i even enjoyed watching it) but comparing the two situations is like comparing apples and oranges.

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He had a fever? That's the first time Ive heard that one. But anyway, the odds in Hopkins/Pavlik and Jones/Lacy couldn't be more different, in fact i think Bernard was about a 3 to 1 underdog. Almost EVERYONE thought that Pavlik would be too much for Hopkins because of his youth and stamina. Just because Kelly was one dimsensional, didn't mean he was made for Hopkins.

Hopkins was 44 years old and beat a current belt holder that was in his prime. Jones was expected to beat Lacy, who was even more shot then he was. Not that he didn't look good( and i even enjoyed watching it) but comparing the two situations is like comparing apples and oranges.

nobodys comparing anything... i didnt compare a single damn thing. the only thing i compared was talking how one fighter was tailor made and another wasnt

everyone wants to talk about roy being shot to pieces.. but when he wins.. he was supposed to..

a one dimensional fighter is tailer made for hopkins... that doesnt take away from the win... but it is what it is... and im not taking away from the win.. hopkins was 43...

Hopkins does that to Chad Dawson... THEN we can talk.

Hype the Pavlik win... dont OVER hype it.


And yes, Pavlik had a 102 degree fever... says Dan Birmingham to my face 3 days ago... u dont have to believe it.. thats fine.

[slicksouthpaw16]

nobodys comparing anything... i didnt compare a single damn thing. the only thing i compared was talking how one fighter was tailor made and another wasnt

everyone wants to talk about roy being shot to pieces.. but when he wins.. he was supposed to..

a one dimensional fighter is tailer made for hopkins... that doesnt take away from the win... but it is what it is... and im not taking away from the win.. hopkins was 43...

Hopkins does that to Chad Dawson... THEN we can talk.

Hype the Pavlik win... dont OVER hype it.


And yes, Pavlik had a 102 degree fever... says Dan Birmingham to my face 3 days ago... u dont have to believe it.. thats fine.

Once again, you have to look at the circumstances. Hopkins beat Kelly in his prime and WASN'T expected to win by almost any expert. You have to give Bernard credit for even being able to take advantage of that ''one dimsension'' at his age and against someone was not only 20 years younger then him, but pound for pound one of the best fighters. Jones beat Lacy who was not only even more shot then he was, but lost every single big fight that he ever had. That's why, i said you were comparing the two.

I personally don't buy into the pre fight excuses but that's just me. Before the fight, Kelly didn't complain of anything and said he felt great. After he gets beaten, other stuff starts popping up. Just like how Ademek was all of a sudden weight drained at light heavyweight against Dawson. Not to say you're a liar, i just have my own way of seeing things.

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Once again, you have to look at the circumstances. Hopkins beat Kelly in his prime and WASN'T expected to win by almost any expert. You have to give Bernard credit for even being able to take advantage of that at his age and against someone was not only 20 years younger then him, but pound for pound one of the best fighters. Jones beat Lacy who was not only even more shot then he was, but lost every single big fight that he ever had. That's why, i said you were comparing the two.

I personally don't buy into the pre fight excuses but that's just me. Before the fight, Kelly didn't complain of anything and said he felt great. After he gets beaten, other stuff starts popping up. Just like how Ademek was all of a sudden weight drained at light heavyweight against Dawson. Not to say you're a liar, i just have my own way of seeing things.

well i didnt take away from the pavlik win... at all.. i specifically said that... i said he deserves his props... but lets also not FORGET certain aspects of the fight.. such as the current MW champion fighting at 170lbs...

You may not buy into certain excuses... and im not one who likes excuses either... its not really an excuse... i mean if i wake up with a fever... you beat me in the ring... its not necessarily an excuse... but it DID exist... its not dismissable... and from what Dan told me Sunday when we flew back together from the fight.. was that Kellys camp wanted to postpone, but Kelly wanted to go ahead with the fight, so its of no surprise to me that Kelly didnt say anything.

Again, Bernard is 43... the dude deserves all the credit in the world... like i said... HYPE the win... dont OVER hype the win...

Jermain is still considered an elite fighter, even though he got KOed by Froch... 15 seconds more he would of been the new SMW champion... hes looked at as a live dog in the SMW tourney...

As shot to **** as Roy apparently is... not even Jermaine could do what Roy did to him... so... yeahhhhh...

Im outta work ... be back later.