Klitschkos would be just as dominating in the 60s and 70s

[Phirsole]

This is the post of someone who is clearly a racist, but won't admit it. I mean come on I know you're going to cry the whole REVERSE RACISM thing, but I can tell from your post that you are clearly a racist. And you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about. If you think Corrie Sanders, Lamon Brewster, Ross Purity, and Chris Byrd are acceptable loses for someone then kudos to you, but those guys and the Klits would get killed by Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Holmes, Etc.

Do you really think so? I don't deny the greatness of of Ali, Foreman etc, but I still consider the K bros a very stiff challenge for every HW ATG in the HOF.

Yes, a prime Tyson would have a good chance to get inside and destroy both of them. But Wlad has perfected his defensive jab in a way that the opponents simply despair and quit. And Vitali has a chin which would let him survive a few of Tysons best bombs. I'd still put my money on a prime Tyson (early 80s), or a prime Lewis (90s), though (60+%). Ali was fast as hell and could win by points or a TKO, and I'd rate his chances as high as 50%.

Both CAN be beaten - this is the HW division, a single punch can end it all. But I wouldn't underestimate their current skills (Wlad is prime now, and Vitali has not faded much). There is no ATG out there who would easily "dominate" them and "wipe the canvas" with them.

Why do people think every other sport is moving forwards with players and athletes getting better. Guys run .8 seconds faster in the 100m than Jesse Owens ever did, Spitz wouldnt even have made the olympic team last year, but for some reason boxing...and only HW boxing at that, is moving backwards.

Good point. Still, comparing a current champion to a ATG glorified fighter earns you red karma here.

[BEEHOP]

Do you really think so? I don't deny the greatness of of Ali, Foreman etc, but I still consider the K bros a very stiff challenge for every HW ATG in the HOF.

Yes, a prime Tyson would have a good chance to get inside and destroy both of them. But Wlad has perfected his defensive jab in a way that the opponents simply despair and quit. And Vitali has a chin which would let him survive a few of Tysons best bombs. I'd still put my money on a prime Tyson (early 80s), or a prime Lewis (90s), though (60+%). Ali was fast as hell and could win by points or a TKO, and I'd rate his chances as high as 50%.

Both CAN be beaten - this is the HW division, a single punch can end it all. But I wouldn't underestimate their current skills (Wlad is prime now, and Vitali has not faded much). There is no ATG out there who would easily "dominate" them and "wipe the canvas" with them.

Considering guys who weren't even close to all time greats have in fact wiped the canvas with the Klits (Wlad mostly) I put the ATG's chances as much higher. But I agree I think at their very peak they cause anyone problems, and would have done reasonably well in any era.

[Benncollinsaad]

Do you really think so? I don't deny the greatness of of Ali, Foreman etc, but I still consider the K bros a very stiff challenge for every HW ATG in the HOF.

Yes, a prime Tyson would have a good chance to get inside and destroy both of them. But Wlad has perfected his defensive jab in a way that the opponents simply despair and quit. And Vitali has a chin which would let him survive a few of Tysons best bombs. I'd still put my money on a prime Tyson (early 80s), or a prime Lewis (90s), though (60+%). Ali was fast as hell and could win by points or a TKO, and I'd rate his chances as high as 50%.

Both CAN be beaten - this is the HW division, a single punch can end it all. But I wouldn't underestimate their current skills (Wlad is prime now, and Vitali has not faded much). There is no ATG out there who would easily "dominate" them and "wipe the canvas" with them.

Very true. I think most black people can't come to terms with having such dominant pair of white and European heavyweights. As I said before, it's the division they always dominated. And to compare the heavyweights of the 70's and even 80's with the Klitschkos is like comparing the sprinters of those decades with Usain Bolt. They are beyond comparison. Tyson might've had a chance, but only a small chance, against the Klitschkos and that is the ULTIMATE Tyson, not the one that came out of prison. Tony Tucker, with his size and skills would also be a good match, but ultimately I believe he'd lose.

[Phirsole]

Very true. I think most black people can't come to terms with having such dominant pair of white and European heavyweights. As I said before, it's the division they always dominated. And to compare the heavyweights of the 70's and even 80's with the Klitschkos is like comparing the sprinters of those decades with Usain Bolt. They are beyond comparison. Tyson might've had a chance, but only a small chance, against the Klitschkos and that is the ULTIMATE Tyson, not the one that came out of prison. Tony Tucker, with his size and skills would also be a good match, but ultimately I believe he'd lose.

You are probably right, but this is very unpopular here...

[Sir Tom Jones]

Vitali is a very good boxer, he doesn't get as much credit as he deserves on here but that is probably because of some of his fans who come across as uneducated.

[BEEHOP]

Very true. I think most black people can't come to terms with having such dominant pair of white and European heavyweights. As I said before, it's the division they always dominated. And to compare the heavyweights of the 70's and even 80's with the Klitschkos is like comparing the sprinters of those decades with Usain Bolt. They are beyond comparison. Tyson might've had a chance, but only a small chance, against the Klitschkos and that is the ULTIMATE Tyson, not the one that came out of prison. Tony Tucker, with his size and skills would also be a good match, but ultimately I believe he'd lose.

You actually think the HW division is better now then the 70's or 80's? The best guys other than the Klits, is Valuev(haha), David Haye(a CW), Alexander Povetkin(17 fights), Eddie chambers, and Ruslan Chageav(hahahaha). Those guys are the ideal fights for the Klit brothers, and each of them would be in their top 10 list of wins, does that really sound to you like the best HW division, honestly? I think people overrate the Klits casue they are Europeans and white, which is their only excuse when questioning their mediocre records. "AMERICANS JUST CANNOT HANDLE THE FACT THAT DOMINANT EUROPEANS ARE THE BEST, FAT YANKS" when it really isn't like that at all. People criticize ALL fighters, look at Floyd Mayweather equally hated as the Klits, and he is far better P4P and ATG, and he is AMERICAN and BLACK, and people still don't like him. So your whole European argument is bull**** really.

[Phirsole]

You actually think the HW division is better now then the 70's or 80's? The best guys other than the Klits, is Valuev(haha), David Haye(a CW), Alexander Povetkin(17 fights), Eddie chambers, and Ruslan Chageav(hahahaha). Those guys are the ideal fights for the Klit brothers, and each of them would be in their top 10 list of wins, does that really sound to you like the best HW division, honestly?

No, the HW division is crap right now, 'cause there are not many quality fighters, and most belt fights seem VERY predictable. The K bros don't have the opposition to collect an impressive record. The fights Ali vs. Foreman and Ali vs. Frazier defined these fighters, and made them ATG. The Klitschkos would need to turn on each other to get that (which will not happen). They are missing 2-3 big fishes like a returning Lewis, or giving Povetkin 3-4 fights to "grow up" before fighting him.

I think people overrate the Klits casue they are Europeans and white, which is their only excuse when questioning their mediocre records. "AMERICANS JUST CANNOT HANDLE THE FACT THAT DOMINANT EUROPEANS ARE THE BEST, FAT YANKS" when it really isn't like that at all. People criticize ALL fighters, look at Floyd Mayweather equally hated as the Klits, and he is far better P4P and ATG, and he is AMERICAN and BLACK, and people still don't like him. So your whole European argument is bull**** really.

The Klitschkos are criticized for having a boring, methodical style. They don't take risks to end a fight early. FM is hated for his big mouth.

[Mersey]

Funny, I see Ali having bad inside skills. How was Ali going to get inside on any Klit and then how was he going to down them? He wasnt. People are out of their minds, Vitali would never lose to a guy as dumb as Tyson or Ali who was so simple minded he almost missed the draft by being borderline ******ed. Vitali would be in better shape, have more knowledge about training, nutrition and fitness. He is bigger, stronger and has a longer reach. His chin is a rock. He has the highest KO percentage in HW history.

Seriously, anyone ever notice how whenever theres a white HW champion of any origin people always say, "well the division ****** then." I dont want to cry racism, but it has to be racist. Its not Vitali's fault he doesnt lose to guys like Peter and then come back and beat them. The 70's fighters look better because they all lost to eachother. It was rock paper scissors and no fighter was a complete fighter. Ali punched softer than his daughter, got knocked down by club fighters, and was bad on the inside. Foreman was even dumber than Ali. Frazier was 5 feet 10 inches tall, and weight 190 lbs and had 1 ko in his final 14 fights. He was done after his first fight with Ali. Larry Holmes...next.

I wont discuss Wlad cause I don't want to get into a discussion about how far he has come since the sanders fight and early in his career. He stands tall now and doesnt fear pressure or hits as much. Vitali crushes these guys.

Why do people think every other sport is moving forwards with players and athletes getting better. Guys run .8 seconds faster in the 100m than Jesse Owens ever did, Spitz wouldnt even have made the olympic team last year, but for some reason boxing...and only HW boxing at that, is moving backwards.

I can't take anything serious from a person called "Dr Ironfist"

No matter what anybody says, you will say Klitschko is better.

[Sir Tom Jones]

I can't take anything serious from a person called "Dr Ironfist"

No matter what anybody says, you will say Klitschko is better.

Dr. Eisenfaust is a pretty cool name.

[Equilibrium]

I think Vitali could have done good in the 60's and 70's. He's a good, though fighter with a very good chin. A guy like that would be good a fighter in any era.


But Wlad, no way. His chin is bad and i'm pretty sure he would get knocked out by all the great fighters, he already got knocked out by not so great fighters. So don't even try to argue about Wlad.