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Measured Against All Time: Roy Jones Jr.

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  • #31
    "Jeff Lacy (25-2, 176 KO" wtf were they get 176 kos from?

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    • #32
      Originally posted by !! Shawn View Post
      Very good article over all, but there are a few glaring errors in your reporting.

      #1. Lou De Valle did not legitimately knock down Roy Jones Jr. Roy's back foot clearly slipped. To describe it as a "nasty left hand" is simply dishonest.

      #2. Eubanks and Benn's careers were for the most part played out by the time Roy arrived on the scene at 168, and... they fought exclusively in England, had little to no name recognition state side, and would have been nearly impossible to make a deal with due to their bloated ego's.

      #3. James Toney would have never been a viable rematch as he wouldn't have been able to make any reasonably contracted weight.

      #4. Its clearly documented that Roy Jones Jr. suffered from Shane Mosley syndrome throughout a large part of his career. Nobody would fight him. They either demanded outlandish sums of money for what would have undoubtedly been a loss, or simply avoided the matter all together in favor of making their own meaningless title defenses (Dariusz Michalczewski)

      Its really bad that you bring up Dariusz who was about as willing to unify titles as Sven Ottke was, actual less so, since Ottke actually managed to pick up two straps.

      Michael Nunn was also not a viable option. A fight with Roy would not be marketable after his loss to James Toney, especially since Roy took apart Toney, and Nunn had severely diminished as a force in the division.

      Same thing goes for Hopkins, he was quite about Roy until Roy moved far enough up in weight that negotiations would be difficult enough as to never result in a fight between the two.

      Roy's situation is difficult because he demonstrated the willingness to take the most difficult fights on offer to him such as Toney and Hill, but at the same time, he was forced to fight less difficult opposition when the big names would not fight him.

      At one time HBO attempted to take over match making for Roy Jones jr only discover what Roy had been claiming all long was true. Nobody was willing to fight him for any reasonable sum of money.

      Granted you did mention some of this in passing at the end of the article, it is not given enough emphasis as timing is everything when talking about what fights are made.
      your history grade is A+
      but the author did mention that he won't dwell on the reason why the fyts were not made.
      i agree with the bottomline----rjj is among the atg!

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      • #33
        Originally posted by !! Shawn View Post
        Very good article over all, but there are a few glaring errors in your reporting.

        #1. Lou De Valle did not legitimately knock down Roy Jones Jr. Roy's back foot clearly slipped. To describe it as a "nasty left hand" is simply dishonest.

        #2. Eubanks and Benn's careers were for the most part played out by the time Roy arrived on the scene at 168, and... they fought exclusively in England, had little to no name recognition state side, and would have been nearly impossible to make a deal with due to their bloated ego's.

        #3. James Toney would have never been a viable rematch as he wouldn't have been able to make any reasonably contracted weight.

        #4. Its clearly documented that Roy Jones Jr. suffered from Shane Mosley syndrome throughout a large part of his career. Nobody would fight him. They either demanded outlandish sums of money for what would have undoubtedly been a loss, or simply avoided the matter all together in favor of making their own meaningless title defenses (Dariusz Michalczewski)

        Its really bad that you bring up Dariusz who was about as willing to unify titles as Sven Ottke was, actual less so, since Ottke actually managed to pick up two straps.

        Michael Nunn was also not a viable option. A fight with Roy would not be marketable after his loss to James Toney, especially since Roy took apart Toney, and Nunn had severely diminished as a force in the division.

        Same thing goes for Hopkins, he was quite about Roy until Roy moved far enough up in weight that negotiations would be difficult enough as to never result in a fight between the two.

        Roy's situation is difficult because he demonstrated the willingness to take the most difficult fights on offer to him such as Toney and Hill, but at the same time, he was forced to fight less difficult opposition when the big names would not fight him.

        At one time HBO attempted to take over match making for Roy Jones jr only discover what Roy had been claiming all long was true. Nobody was willing to fight him for any reasonable sum of money.

        Granted you did mention some of this in passing at the end of the article, it is not given enough emphasis as timing is everything when talking about what fights are made.
        Good points here although I don't necessarily agree with all of them. Jones is easily top 50 and I have him well above that.

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        • #34
          Another glaring error and one i find really hard to have made without trying is Calzaghes whitewash on Jones - he won every round except the first so in anyones book that makes 11 rounds to 1 not 10 rounds to 2! Otherwise nice article if not a little revisionist!

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          • #35
            Long read about Roy Jones, it can be summarized in one word.

            Overrated.

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            • #36
              Who Cares About Roy Jones Jr? He Was A Good Fighter Who Fought Cops, Teachers, Crossing Guards & Stock Brokers! Over Rated Is To Little Of A Word To Explain Roys Career! Great Fighter Who Didnt Want To Fight The Real Fight Till He was Done! Hes Floyd Mayweather Before Floyd! Thanks For Ruining A Sport For Us! Instead of fighting The Best And Cementing His Legacy All he Did Was Fight For $$$$$ And Fight Bums! Thats Why I Was So HAPPY To See Him Knocked the **** Out In Devestating Fashion By Tarver & Johnson! **** Roy Jones Jr Hopefully That Bum Lacy Knocks His Ass out Again And Leave Him Shaking Like A Fish Out Of Water!

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              • #37
                Roy is an ATG. Not on the level of Robinson or Ali, but somewhere in the top 50 imo. The wins on Hopkins and Toney proved to me that no rematches were needed, and he fought and beat as many solid fighters that his detractors claimed he has ducked.

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                • #38
                  Calzage bound for a hall of Fame

                  What A Joke. He fought over rated tomato cans his whole career beat up two old fighter's RJJ and B-Hop and Retired. With out those Two big names on his resume he is nobody wow he beat lacy and Kessler.

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                  • #39
                    As newcomer, I do not know much about Roy Jones so it is better not to put any comment. Here is something current - Manny Pacquiao 'knocked out'

                    http://abs-cbnnews.com/entertainment...nkees-new-look

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                    • #40
                      I have the utmost respect for all fighters, especially a boxer of Jones magnitude. I'd say great fighter, but I can't put him up there as an "All Time" great. I don't know; I followed Jones his whole career, but never saw that extra little something that makes someone a great fighter. His resume is the biggest factor for me. I just remember always wondering when Jones was going to fight that next level guy, and he never did.

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