Pavlik vs Williams Agreement Reached: War on Oct 3

[ATL_Boxer]

lolz....

first of all, pacman never "challenged" cotto, arum is the one who made the fight...second, cotto has been knocked out, beaten a nobody, and won a very very questionable decision in his last 3 fights....no way in hell is he the "creme of the crop" at 147......and even tho he won a close fight against mosley already, mosley earned a rematch, and PWILL earned his shot at cotto, by both beating the man who made cotto quit.....problem is, neither cotto or mosley want to fight williams, not b/c he hasn't "earned it," but b/c they know what's gonna happen....williams is a freak, nobody wants it.

p.s. the clottey fight didn't happen, b/c hbo wouldn't put up enough money to make it happen.

Pacman is challenging Cotto because he could have chosen to fight Mosley at 140 if he wanted. Pacman is the cash cow so he can do what he wants. If I recall, he was at the Cotto vs. Clottey fight and afterwards said HE WANTS COTTO. No different than JMM challenging Mayweather. He just did it through the media instead of a post fight interview. Find me any quote where Cotto called out Pac. I'll wait. So your point is moot. Secondly, P-Will SQUEAKED by Margs. So what are you saying?? I'd rather lose to Margs than Quintana any day. Or did you forget that CARLOS QUINTANA BOXED CIRCLES AROUND P-WILL?! Exactly. Tell the whole story or not at all. Cotto's boxing resume ****s on Paul's everyday and twice on Sunday. So stop hating on Cotto, who's taking on top notch comp. His fight with Jennings was a tune up. Don't play dumb. Who the f is Andy Kolle?! Lol. A NOBODY LIKE JENNINGS. Guess you don't know what a stay busy fight is. Mosley will get his rematch after Cotto fights Pacman. Who would turn down a shot at the cash cow for Mosley?? I guess you would. Smh. And Cotto is even willing to give Margs a rematch even though he should be banned from the sport. Stop being a P-Will groupie and look at the facts. He almost killed the Pavlik fight for thinking he deserves a 50/50 split. Avoided my ass.

[GoDsRiGhThAnD]

BoxingScene.com has been informed by sources close to the negotiations that a deal has been reached for a middlweight war on October 3 at the Boardwalk Hall in Atlantic City. WBC/WBO middleweight champion Kelly Pavlik will defend his titles against Paul "The Punisher" Williams. [details]

Paul Williams is the new big thing hes what everyone in boxingscene is speaking of besides pack and mayweather upcoming fights.

[ATL_Boxer]

If Williams is able to make 147 easily, which he says he still is, then he's a Welterweight. So yes, by the rules of boxing, it's an even sized match. You seem to be yet another poster who doesn't understand that boxing has weight divisions, not height divisions. Hearns, who is ranked among the top 3 Welterweights of all time by most boxing historians, was the same height as Williams.

Williams was fighting at Welterweight only a year ago, and has been trying to make Welterweight fights ever since, so I see no reason to disbelieve him when he says he can still fight comfortably at that weight.

I watch boxing 24/7 so I know well enough that if you can make the weight limit you can fight in that division. I was just pointing out his bias against Cotto for coming in heavy on fight night even though he can make 147. It's no different. Cotto usually outweighs his opponents and P-Will is taller than them. He was whining that Cotto will be fighting a "smaller" man in Pacman when Manny called Cotto out, just because he'll weigh more on the night of the fight. Cotto is a small welterweight anyway. P-Will is just tall, but he fights short anyway. It's just his workrate that makes him super difficult. How can he say Cotto is picking on smaller fighters because he outweighs them on fight night, but P-Will wants to campaign at welter where he's taller than everyone there?! Pure Cotto hate. Just keep it 100 is all I ask.

[socalrican01]

BAM... Cant wait... gonna be a night of fireworks! Gotta go with Pavlik. Williams got stunned by Quintana... Pavlik can punch!

[El_Cholo]

should be a decent fight.

hopefully the true Paul Williams turns up.

[Jushniy]

Pavlik will win by knockout.

[Iceta]

So you criticize Cotto for fighting a smaller man in Pac-Man, who challenged him by the way, but feel P-Will vs. Cotto is an even size match?? Stop being a Cotto hater. Just like you say there are no height limits, there are no weight limits after the weigh in. If Cotto can make welter, who cares what weight he comes in at on fight night. And P-Will is a nobody at 147. He beaten Margs and is 1-1 with Quintana. So how has he earned a shot at Cotto and he doesn't even want to face Clottey, who called him out BEFORE the Cotto fight?! GTFOH. Cotto is the creme of the crop at 147. He paid his dues. P-Will needs to do the same at 147 before he can start calling out the big dogs.

How are you going to say Williams is a nobody at 147 when he holds a convincing victory against a guy that beat Cotto to a pulp? Yeah, he won't fight Clottey because the fight would pay him sunflower seeds. He might not have the star power of Cotto, but he is on the rise right now and people need to get off Clottey's nuts because of those personal call outs to Williams. Arum never put up a money offer for that fight. But 147 is in the past because all those guys didn't want any.

[mellow_mood]

How are you going to say Williams is a nobody at 147 when he holds a convincing victory against a guy that beat Cotto to a pulp? Yeah, he won't fight Clottey because the fight would pay him sunflower seeds. He might not have the star power of Cotto, but he is on the rise right now and people need to get off Clottey's nuts because of those personal call outs to Williams. Arum never put up a money offer for that fight. But 147 is in the past because all those guys didn't want any.

the same reason that paul williams is not fighting clottey... (the sun flower seeds) is the same reason no promoter of any big name @ welter wants to give him a shot..

why risk bigger paydays with a freak like williams..

kudos to williams... climbing his mountain the hard way!! eventually he will get the respect and the money.. but first... he will gonna have to pay some dues.. thats how the game goes!

[Iceta]

the same reason that paul williams is not fighting clottey... (the sun flower seeds) is the same reason no promoter of any big name @ welter wants to give him a shot..

why risk bigger paydays with a freak like williams..

kudos to williams... climbing his mountain the hard way!! eventually he will get the respect and the money.. but first... he will gonna have to pay some dues.. thats how the game goes!

But the reason that Williams should've gotten a shot at Mosley or Cotto is because he already held a victory over Margarito, and he was ranked in the #2 position until he got beat by Quintana. He regained that position with authority and Margarito, Cotto, and Mosley still didn't want any. On the other hand, Clottey's claim to prominence was a competitive loss to Margarito of where he used a hand injury as an excuse for loosing the fight and wins over naturally smaller guys past their sell-by date in Corrales and Judah. I get what you're saying on the marketability aspect though.

[Beater_of_ass]

Williams has no footwork? Are you ****ing serious?!?! Have you ever actually seen him fight??? He pivoted and danced around Margarito all night!! Paul has very good footwork. Williams is always moving around the ring setting up his angles. He is not a stationary fighter at all. You aren't very smart if you can't see that.

And Pavlik absolutely does not have "one punch power" he's a guy like Carl Froch who breaks you down with his pressure and his ability to keep getting off his right hand. He has good power, not outstanding power. Paul Williams has good power too @ 160 where he's not drained and the same chin if not better.

Oh boy... a person who see's his favorite fighter apparently without a single flaw. Ok, lets say Williams has good footwork, he doesn't, but even if he did he does not move at all when he's throwing. For a guy who throws 100+ punches a round he gets hit A TON and with some very strong shots, and he always seems to get hit standing directly in front of the guy. Have YOU ever seen any of his fights? I mean seriously man, every guy he's fought has hit him with some solid shots, and every single one is the same thing, a big left/right with Williams standing right there waiting for it. Fortunately for Williams he's never actually fought anyone who can throw a solid punch except for Marg's and Pavlik is on a whole different level in terms of power.

Williams does move around, however, he is nothing BUT stationary when he throws punches and when you throw as much as he does you are just standing there waiting to get hit and that's all I see in a Pwill fight. He lands and throws a bunch and then gets tagged by his opponent. Pavlik will do the same and you to even say he doesn't have one punch power... I can't believed you questioned my boxing knowledge with statements like these. One punch power doesn't necessarily mean you have to make every KO look like Hatton. Pavlik has hurt his opponents with one punch and then they go down after the barrage he comes at you with, but it starts with that one. There is a reason that Hopkins did NOTHING but circle to his right and avoid Pavliks main weapon and he embarrassed the hell out of him. That is called using footwork, jabbing, constant movement, avoiding punches. None of those, except the jab, comes to mind when I think of Williams.

I'm not saying Williams is a bad fighter, but the guy is far from perfect and certainly has his flaws. He is not going to beat Pavlik the way B-Hop did because he doesn't have that kind of ability, and its not going to be an easy fight for him for the exact reasons I stated. He may "use his feet" but that isn't footwork, watch the B-Hop/Pavlik fight and see what real footwork is, or watch Manny in a fight with constant angles, feints, and in-n-out movement. Williams creates angles and he does set up his shots and I love how he can go from throwing 100 "soft punches" to putting some meat behind those and you can see the power difference in those shots. He's a great fighter, however, he is VERY stationary when he gets going and just gets nailed with bombs and he's FINALLY in there with someone who is going to really show us if Williams chin is any good. If Williams can take Pavlik's shot, Williams will win in a closer version of the Winky fight. I just don't think Williams chin is going to stand up to a type of power he's never felt before.