I can't blame anyone for quitting....

[Nuurzhaelan]

Boxing fans love to talk about true men, and warriors. Then they wince when they get shots of novocaine at the dentists office.

LMAO!

Dentists' chairs always scare me, but the actual pain is not as bad as listening to that frigging drill.

When I had no medical or dental I had to get wisdom teeth pulled. That was nothing. But after when I was prescribed pain meds and antibiotics I could not afford them, so I healed naturally and worked full days and so on (no vacation at work at the time either). The pain caused me a migraine with the nauseated stomach and all. Still, with all that, I don't know that I would want to suffer what some boxers suffer in the ring. I think I had it easy.

[Vladimir303]

Usually, these types of threads get huge knods of approval for sticking up for a fighter and I'm glad this one isn't.

[Drunken Cat]

It's easy for us armchair fans to sit back and criticise a fighter for quitting, most of us won't ever step foot into a boxing ring. When someone throws punches at you it generally hurts. Campbell and Witter know their limits, both are getting on and both fought younger hungrier fighters. The boxer's health comes first....some people say retiring is cowardly, I say it's brave and smart. Considering how retiring is frowned upon amongst the "experts" on here and around the world it's not easy for a fighter to decide "no more" and if they feel their health is at jeopardy then the smart thing is to retire....I'd rather retire in a safe condition than risk being seriously hurt and damaged by going out for another round, the same result will be the same, a loss.

To be frank, I stepped into a ring in a sanctioned (amateur) fight once, and after having a horrible first followed by an OK second round, I was pretty damn winded. My trainer (who wasn't top notch, let me say) said to me "I'm going to stop the fight;" my response, "OK." I guess I'm just a quitter.

In all seriousness, it is a little bit difficult to understand at times how a fan can mourn a boxer who was killed in the ring, and then dump scorn on a boxer who does not go out on his shield. I guess it tells you something about the individuals.

[ßringer]

No, but fighters don't force you to pay jack ****, do they?

Sometimes, **** is too dangerous to continue. They shouldn't say, 'Wel, perhaps my health is on the line, but I have to worry about them not feeling ripped off.'

The first part of this is complete bull****.

They know we're going to watch ; this is our sport, we love this sport. So much so that we're still willing to put up with the stranglehold a few people seem to have on it, and the monopoly that PPV and the Networks have over big fights.

Of course we're going to watch.

Scenario.....

Say you are starving one day, right?

And you stop in a restaurant to get a bite to eat.

So you order a steak, but the waiter brings you a pile of dog**** instead.

Would you be pissed?

Of course you would.

Now why would you be pissed?

Because you expected steak but got ****, that's why.

Well we expected a 2 fights and got nothing but 2 ***** quitters.

We have every right to be mad.

And don't give me that **** about Nate's health either ; he was in no serious jeopardy whatsoever.

Aside from getting the brakes beaten off of him by Bradley anyway.

Guys like Cotto, Klitschko, Marquez, Vazquez, Judah, and tons of others have had way worse cuts and went on to fight their battles like men rather than looking for an easy way out.

Nate was getting his **** knocked into the dirt and he decided to quit because it hadn't been 4 rounds yet and doing so after 4 would allow him no face whatsoever to be saved.

[ßringer]

In all seriousness, it is a little bit difficult to understand at times how a fan can mourn a boxer who was killed in the ring, and then dump scorn on a boxer who does not go out on his shield. I guess it tells you something about the individuals.

I've never seen anybody do that.

[Drunken Cat]

This type of logic usually works on the people who will often sympathize with the man in question.

But it doesn't work on me.

These guys are well compensated for what they do if they're at the Elite level like Campbell.

And quotes like yours seems to gloss over that.

Why are they in the ring to begin with?

Because our viewership pays them to be.

And we tune in to see a fight.

Anytime a fighter doesn't give us that ; it's shameful.

This is true, and it certainly underlies the complexity of the situation.

I suppose my last post was perhaps a bit overly zealous, however I do see somewhat of an odd double standard in that a fighter is scorned for not fighting hurt in a sport in which the stakes are as high as they can be.

I understand that these men are paid to fight and that, for better or worse, this is first the Entertainment industry. I just think that a fighter's health should come first.

[PAC-BOY]

Up mine? Wow, you enjoy taking the Internet so seriously? I bet you have a hot girlfriend.

Anyway....

No, but fighters don't force you to pay jack ****, do they?

Sometimes, **** is too dangerous to continue. They shouldn't say, 'Wel, perhaps my health is on the line, but I have to worry about them not feeling ripped off.'

FUcK that. And up YOURS, my friend.

This is a dangerous game. Also we PAY because we are fans. It is what we do. Also personaly im a boxer with a mindset of I am willing to die in that godamn ring before i quit. A quitter never wins and a winner never quits.
Too dangerous lol maybe if a fighter thinks that they need to change sports like water polo or some ****. If you want to make the big money...you got to give the fans what they want. Lesson over!

[Drunken Cat]

I've never seen anybody do that.

What I mean is that the people are often one in the same. I am not directing this at anyone in particular, but I am guessing that there are plenty of fans who will call a fighter a quitter for not going out on his shield, but yet will sentimentally post RIP and other messages when a fighter dies in the ring.

[ßringer]

This is true, and it certainly underlies the complexity of the situation.

I suppose my last post was perhaps a bit overly zealous, however I do see somewhat of an odd double standard in that a fighter is scorned for not fighting hurt in a sport in which the stakes are as high as they can be.

I understand that these men are paid to fight and that, for better or worse, this is first the Entertainment industry. I just think that a fighter's health should come first.

There is certainly something to be said about the duality of a boxing fan.

You should research it when you get into that University in Tokyo.

In your spare time, of course.

[ßringer]

What I mean is that the people are often one in the same. I am not directing this at anyone in particular, but I am guessing that there are plenty of fans who will call a fighter a quitter for not going out on his shield, but yet will sentimentally post RIP and other messages when a fighter dies in the ring.

True enough, see my post about the duality of a boxing fan.

I converse with them everyday and I still don't understand them