Suddenly, Sugar Shane Seems Sweeter

**onedream722** · 07-31-2009, 01:11 AM

Originally posted by FILIPINO_FLASH

When Manny Pacquiao told Bob Arum he wanted to fight Miguel Cotto next, all eyes fell on Cotto. But it seems Cotto sees a grave risk to his career if he fights Manny Pacquiao next. At 28 Cotto is not ready to get retired as has been the case of the last two fighters who faced Manny.

What is $150,000 sanctioning fee compared to the extra million dollars that goes Cotto�s way if he fights Pacquiao instead of some other opponent? It seems that the WBO 147-lb belt graciously given to Cotto is being used by the Cotto camp not more on squeezing some more dollars for Cotto but on how to avoid a Pacquiao fight.

The 145-lb catch weight is not an excuse for the fight to be non-titled. Any weight beyond 140 and below 148 lbs is welterweight. 147 is only the ceiling for a boxer to not go over to remain a welterweight. The catch weight was presented to address one fighter�s size advantage over the other.

The catch weight is to enable the bigger man who needs it more to fight the smaller man. On paper Cotto needs to fight Manny and not the other way around. On paper and not necessarily in Cotto�s mind.

Cotto doubts he can beat Pacquiao. So there�s no point for Manny to pursue a fight with one who does not want to fight him. Cotto may now be given the graceful exit. Being the gentleman that he is, Manny may now train his sight on one who is interested. The one most interested.

And suddenly, Sugar Shane seems sweeter!

Manny�s next fight is for the history books. How many fighters can win 7 division titles in his boxing career? Should Manny accomplish it, it would be a long time before the feat can be equalled and surpassed. If it�s not for the WBO, there is the WBA, the WBC or the IBF titles.

And Shane Mosley is not just another champion. By the way he destroyed Antonio Margarito, Sugar Shane is a more difficult fight for Manny than with Cotto even at age 37. While Cotto has a win over Mosley, Cotto is not the same fighter now as he was when he fought Mosley. Cotto had become more beatable after his severe beating by Margarito.

Mosley holds the title he took from Margarito who took it from Cotto who took it from...and so on.

And Shane is willing to have a fairer fight by agreeing to concede his size advantage. The fight can be fought at 143 or 145 lbs with the WBA welterweight belt at stake. It should not be at 140. Nothing is sweet in beating a bitter Shane. There is no glory since Manny will not remake history.

It is written by some that Manny might be fighting his last. It has been proven that it is wise to retire while, not only at the top of your division as has been done by Lennox Lewis and Joe Calzaghe lately, but more so when one is at the top of rall. As the pound for pound top dog.

And there�s no sweeter way for Manny to end his fighting career by scoring a win over the su

this thread is ******ed..cotto has never ducked anyone and will not start by ducking pacquiao..if anything pacquiao would look scared fighting a 140 pound drained mosley

**PACbeatFLOYD** · 07-31-2009, 01:12 AM

So with Cotto being so demanding now instead of Pacman, I would likely suggest PACMAN dump Cotto and fight Shane Mosley instead.

PACMAN demands the terms. Not Cotto. With Shane Mosley agreeing on EVERYTHING Pacquiao wants, what's so difficult to make this fight?

They can fight any weight between 141-147 for Mosley's Belt.

And besides, Shane's last fight was far more impressive than Cotto's last 2 fights.

And addition to that, Mosley is the #1 Ring Magazine Welterweight.

Ring might award Pacman the 5th Linear championship that adds more ****e to history in the making.

Pacquiao for 7th world title and 5th Linear title, what's more bigger than that?

Let's support Shane instead of Cotto's b*ll**** demands.

Need a large number of support and flood this thread for them make this real HISTORY in the making.

**coufsax** · 07-31-2009, 01:19 AM

Originally posted by FILIPINO_FLASH

So with Cotto being so demanding now instead of Pacman, I would likely suggest PACMAN dump Cotto and fight Shane Mosley instead.

PACMAN demands the terms. Not Cotto. With Shane Mosley agreeing on EVERYTHING Pacquiao wants, what's so difficult to make this fight?

They can fight any weight between 141-147 for Mosley's Belt.

And besides, Shane's last fight was far more impressive than Cotto's last 2 fights.

And addition to that, Mosley is the #1 Ring Magazine Welterweight.

Ring might award Pacman the 5th Linear championship that adds more ****e to history in the making.

Pacquiao for 7th world title and 5th Linear title, what's more bigger than that?

Let's support Shane instead of Cotto's b*ll**** demands.

Need a large number of support and flood this thread for them make this real HISTORY in the making.

147 or no belt that's how it is if Pac can't fight at WW then stay at JRWW simple, Mosley is old everybody is rating him high cause he beat Margarito w/o plaster

**MaYaN_SuN** · 07-31-2009, 01:21 AM

I agree with Ondream..

lol Seriously, with the exception of Paq fans, who would seriously want to risk seeing Mosley look like **** at 140 when fighting Paq, over a younger and fresher Miguel at 145? Shanes a good fighter, but I'd be sick to my stomach if Paq and Roach had him come out at 140 lookin like Oscar did at 147.

**onedream722** · 07-31-2009, 01:21 AM

Originally posted by FILIPINO_FLASH

So with Cotto being so demanding now instead of Pacman, I would likely suggest PACMAN dump Cotto and fight Shane Mosley instead.

PACMAN demands the terms. Not Cotto. With Shane Mosley agreeing on EVERYTHING Pacquiao wants, what's so difficult to make this fight?

They can fight any weight between 141-147 for Mosley's Belt.

And besides, Shane's last fight was far more impressive than Cotto's last 2 fights.

And addition to that, Mosley is the #1 Ring Magazine Welterweight.

Ring might award Pacman the 5th Linear championship that adds more ****e to history in the making.

Pacquiao for 7th world title and 5th Linear title, what's more bigger than that?

Let's support Shane instead of Cotto's b*ll**** demands.

Need a large number of support and flood this thread for them make this real HISTORY in the making.

shane is not the lineal champ that is a joke when cotto already beat him..and i know ur gonna say well he demolished margarito who beat cotto...but cotto still beat shane..and what makes u think it will be between 141-147 everyone knows they will make it 143 at the very most..pacquiao should just man up and fight at the true weight 147 like EVERY other welterweight

**coufsax** · 07-31-2009, 01:22 AM

Oh and Cotto already beat Mosley so what's the point.

**coufsax** · 07-31-2009, 01:25 AM

Originally posted by onedream722

shane is not the lineal champ that is a joke when cotto already beat him..and i know ur gonna say well he demolished margarito who beat cotto...but cotto still beat shane..and what makes u think it will be between 141-147 everyone knows they will make it 143 at the very most..pacquiao should just man up and fight at the true weight 147 like EVERY other welterweight

And it's easier to beat Margarito without his "SECRET WEAPON"

**Bobby Shaw** · 07-31-2009, 01:27 AM

Originally posted by FILIPINO_FLASH

When Manny Pacquiao told Bob Arum he wanted to fight Miguel Cotto next, all eyes fell on Cotto. But it seems Cotto sees a grave risk to his career if he fights Manny Pacquiao next. At 28 Cotto is not ready to get retired as has been the case of the last two fighters who faced Manny.

What is $150,000 sanctioning fee compared to the extra million dollars that goes Cotto’s way if he fights Pacquiao instead of some other opponent? It seems that the WBO 147-lb belt graciously given to Cotto is being used by the Cotto camp not more on squeezing some more dollars for Cotto but on how to avoid a Pacquiao fight.

The 145-lb catch weight is not an excuse for the fight to be non-titled. Any weight beyond 140 and below 148 lbs is welterweight. 147 is only the ceiling for a boxer to not go over to remain a welterweight. The catch weight was presented to address one fighter’s size advantage over the other.

The catch weight is to enable the bigger man who needs it more to fight the smaller man. On paper Cotto needs to fight Manny and not the other way around. On paper and not necessarily in Cotto’s mind.

Cotto doubts he can beat Pacquiao. So there’s no point for Manny to pursue a fight with one who does not want to fight him. Cotto may now be given the graceful exit. Being the gentleman that he is, Manny may now train his sight on one who is interested. The one most interested.

And suddenly, Sugar Shane seems sweeter!

Manny’s next fight is for the history books. How many fighters can win 7 division titles in his boxing career? Should Manny accomplish it, it would be a long time before the feat can be equalled and surpassed. If it’s not for the WBO, there is the WBA, the WBC or the IBF titles.

And Shane Mosley is not just another champion. By the way he destroyed Antonio Margarito, Sugar Shane is a more difficult fight for Manny than with Cotto even at age 37. While Cotto has a win over Mosley, Cotto is not the same fighter now as he was when he fought Mosley. Cotto had become more beatable after his severe beating by Margarito.

Mosley holds the title he took from Margarito who took it from Cotto who took it from...and so on.

And Shane is willing to have a fairer fight by agreeing to concede his size advantage. The fight can be fought at 143 or 145 lbs with the WBA welterweight belt at stake. It should not be at 140. Nothing is sweet in beating a bitter Shane. There is no glory since Manny will not remake history.

It is written by some that Manny might be fighting his last. It has been proven that it is wise to retire while, not only at the top of your division as has been done by Lennox Lewis and Joe Calzaghe lately, but more so when one is at the top of rall. As the pound for pound top dog.

And there’s no sweeter way for Manny to end his fighting career by scoring a win over the suddenly sweet Sugar Shane Mosley.

By Epifanio M. Almeda
PhilBoxing.com
Fri, 31 Jul 2009

This article is a rubbish article heavily biased and written by someone with very little or no knowledge of boxing,its economics or even the art of negotiation.

The article overlooks the fact that Cotto will be fined a $million for every pound he is over 145lbs.Why should he be fined for being 146lbs if he's fighting for a 147lbs.It goes without saying the upper cap has to be raised to 147 and not 145.If the 2lbs dont matter why is Manny not willing to go up?

Again this is more like changing the rules once the contract has been signed a normal way of doing thing in Asia but something we frown on in the West.Cotto is also the champion getting 35% of the money because his belt was not meant to be on the line.The negotiations were based on what Cotto and Manny brought to the table,just the goodwill excluding the belt,this is what was valued at 35% for Cotto.The reward risk factors would mean the purse changing if the title is in place because the belt is a tangible simpol of Cotto's championship,it's an endorsement of his abilities.The world out there will remember champions,even Vernon FOrest is talked about as a former champion.Manny needs the titile to break records but he thinks he can keep all the money but it doesnt work like that.Equity theory would mean Cotto not taking that rubbish and if Manny wants to fight Mosley then let him fight Mosley.Cotto will simply not be blackmailed and Cotto is right.

Anyone who thinks Cotto should just give his belt away like that for contention without alteration to the consideration is just plain ignorant and in this information age not worth talking to.

**PACbeatFLOYD** · 07-31-2009, 01:28 AM

Originally posted by coufsax

Oh and Cotto already beat Mosley so what's the point.

oh uhm mosley beat margarito the one who beat cotto... and mosley have the real ww belt that he took from margarito, the one cotto used to have..... LMAO

Suddenly, Sugar Shane Seems Sweeter