Pacquiao doesn't need Cotto or his belt

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  • Doctor_Tenma
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    #21
    Originally posted by JM1
    if pac wont fight cotto who do you think hes gonna fight? most probably he will fight shane so what option would miguel have? berto? how much is he gonna make fighting berto? and berto is not even on cotto's level
    I don't have a problem with Pacquiao facing Cotto. Just that I don't agree with Cotto needing Pacquiao.

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    • El_Jibaro
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      #22
      pac needs cotto because he knows if he fights real fighters like mosley he will get his azz kicked eitherway .
      at least with cotto he can claim he lost to the best and his sensitive reputation will not be damaged as much, and get more money out of it in the process.

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      • JM1
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        #23
        Originally posted by onedream722
        he would actully make a decent payday against berto..itd be a unification fight and HBO loves both fighters and will most likely put in a lot of money for the fight..cotto has boosted his name and fanbase merely by being an opponent of pacman..his name has been all over this site as well as ESPN. classic showed his quintana fight the other night
        no questions about cotto getting a decent payday. he always does. but he wont make as much as fighting pac

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        • Bobby Shaw
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          #24
          Originally posted by JM1
          Truth be told Manny Pacquiao does not need Miguel Cotto, nor his belt. Just based on both fighters' recent history, it should be Cotto crawling on his fours wanting to fight Pacquiao to revive his slumping career.

          I don't know whether Cotto is posturing or is simply stubborn when he said he wouldn't put up his WBO welterweight belt against Pacquiao even if he had to vacate it. Fighting words from the gallant Puerto Rican, but why would Pacquiao care?

          If that's the case then Cotto isn't really interested in the biggest payday and break of his career after all. If I was a Team Pacquiao adviser, I'd simply tell Manny to walk and explore his many other options.

          Mosley is willing and waiting in the wings and would even go down to 140 and take 40% of the pot just to dance with Manny. Of course there's still the option of paying Marquez step-aside money as Floyd Mayweather Jr. himself suggested and get right down to business with "Money May". Or he can stay in his division and fight the winner of Timothy Bradley and Nate Campbell next week at the Agua Caliente Casino in Palm Springs. Call me T.I. because fact of the matter is Manny, "you can have whatever you like". Such are the rewards of being the best and most popular boxer in the planet. When Cotto actually locates his heart after Antonio Margarito beat the crap out of him and fighting the last four rounds of his controversial win against Joshua Clottey on skates, then he can start acting like a diva.

          Really? He will vacate his title just so Pacquiao wouldn't be able to get a shot at it? That's simply disrespectful in my book. You wouldn't even give a much smaller person a shot at a belt he very well deserves if he beats you just because of two almost meaningless pounds? Even when it means you are to get the biggest payday of your career? Really?

          Pacquiao did not invent title fights at a catch weight, in fact great boxers like Sugar Ray Leonard have done it before him in the past. The welterweight limit is from 141-147 pounds, the 147 is just the maximum weight they can come in at. Realistically, Pacquiao is really that small compared to Cotto so the two pounds only makes it sensible. Just a year ago, even Bob Arum himself said imagining Pacquiao in the ring with Cotto was ludicrous and he simply could not see it happening. That was then, this is now. And now all of a sudden it's ridiculous for Pacquiao to ask for a title-fight for asking Cotto to come down 2 pounds?

          Let's put things in proper perspective. Pacquiao does not need Cotto right now. Actually, Cotto is fortunate that he is getting all this attention and publicity after his ho-hum victories and devastating loss to Margarito. A lot of people even consider him damaged goods and actually lost to Clottey. That's not to say I agree with that, I personally feel Cotto is still one of the toughest fights for Pacquiao out there but it doesn't mean it's the best fight for him necessarily especially if it would be a beltless fight and if Cotto would go out of his way just to not make it a title-fight for him. Pacquiao can fight Mosley who is a better sell for American veiwers and Pay-Per-View buyers anyway. You also finally get to see Pacquiao fight an African-American boxer, one of the best at that, as some people have been clamoring for. I know I'm starting to sound like a broken record but Pacquiao got options... Pacquiao got options....Pac-paca-pac-pa-pac-pac got chiki-chiki op-tions... Pacquiao got op-o-o-options. Broken record, scratch, scribble, dice and transform it, whatever it takes to send the message. Got it? Good. (By the way shout out to my boy DJ QBert, one of the best skratch DJs to have ever lived)

          Perhaps somebody whispered something behind Cotto's ear for him to be confident of whatever happens at the moment. It's almost as if he is willing to just finish up his contract with Top Rank against whoever and jump ship to Golden Boy where promised greener pastures await. It makes sense. De la Hoya could have very well guaranteed Cotto a shot at Mayweather or a rematch with Mosley with some serious dough in tow. Nobody really believes that all Cotto and De la Hoya did was a round of golf a couple of weeks ago.

          That's besides the point however. Last time I checked, Pacquiao hasn't signed any papers to fight Cotto yet. Cotto is a good opponent but there are better options for Pacquiao out there if Cotto insists on playing hard-to-get. He can go for Mosley's belts at 143 if he wants to rather than negotiate with a fighter people consider as "damaged goods".


          http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-1...to-or-his-belt

          just like bro mangler said, pac dont even need cotto. pac should look for other options if miguel continues to play hard to get
          Cotto is getting 35% but Mosley is willing to take 40%.Reason why Cotto took 35% because title wasnt on the line,bring in the title %age has to change.So you think Cotto is beinga unreasonable?

          If Manny doesnt need Cotto why did he choose Cotto and not Mosley.Risk reward mate.For the reward Manny is getting Cotto is the moe profitable,while Mosley might be an option ,is the risk reward balance the same?

          Reason Cotto will vacate is just in the interests of fairness,the contract he signed for didnt include a belt.He brought his goodwill and that was it.If Manny demands Cotto to bring more Cotto has to be paid more,there are no freebies here.Cotto will relinguish title because WBO isnt being reasonable.They want to push the fight when Manny isnt a mandatory challenger and besides the fight is at 145.If Cotto comes in at 146 he gets fined a million $$,why should he be fined if he's fighting for a 147lbs.Manny stands to gain but Cotto stands to lose because of the title.All Cotto wants is fairness and any right thinking man would see this.
          Last edited by Bobby Shaw; 07-31-2009, 01:42 AM.

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          • JM1
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            #25
            Originally posted by KENSHIRO
            I don't have a problem with Pacquiao facing Cotto. Just that I don't agree with Cotto needing Pacquiao.
            and dont have a problem with anyone posting on my thread as long as they will be respectful

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            • Ch@mpBox@PR
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              #26
              Damn *******s and their ******ed rants!!!!!!!!!!

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              • onedream722
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                #27
                Originally posted by Ch@mpBox@PR
                Damn *******s and their ******ed rants!!!!!!!!!!
                i knew u'd show up sooner or later champ...

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                • JM1
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                  #28
                  Originally posted by KENSHIRO
                  I don't have a problem with Pacquiao facing Cotto. Just that I don't agree with Cotto needing Pacquiao.
                  so what will be miguels option if this fight doesnt happen?
                  Last edited by JM1; 07-31-2009, 02:41 AM.

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                  • onedream722
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by JM1
                    so who will be pacs option if this fight doesnt happen?
                    either one can fight shane..but shane prefers pac but maybe he'd have second thoughts about that 140 challenge and fight cotto in a unification match..cotto can try to go after berto...jmm will always be willin to fight pac..or pac could even await this weekends winner

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                    • JM1
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by chiyoko
                      Cotto is getting 35% but Mosley is willing to take 40%.Reason why Cotto took 35% because title wasnt on the line,bring in the title %age has to change.So you think Cotto is beinga unreasonable?

                      If Manny doesnt need Cotto why did he choose Cotto and not Mosley.Risk reward mate.For the reward Manny is getting Cotto is the moe profitable,while Mosley might be an option ,is the risk reward balance the same?

                      Reason Cotto will vacate is just in the interests of fairness,the contract he signed for didnt include a belt.He brought his goodwill and that was it.If Manny demands Cotto to bring more Cotto has to be paid more,there are no freebies here.Cotto will relinguish title because WBO isnt being reasonable.They want to push the fight when Manny isnt a mandatory challenger and besides the fight is at 145.If Cotto comes in at 146 he gets fined a million $$,why should he be fined if he's fighting for a 147lbs.Manny stands to gain but Cotto stands to lose because of the title.All Cotto wants is fairness and any right thinking man would see this.
                      mosley said he is getting 40%, mosley said that. team pac didnt. second, no contracts are signed yet mate and why add another 5% on cotto's share? it will add million on his pay while the sanctioning fees cost like what? $150k? and they are willing to be paid by uncle bob

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