Can someone fill me in on this David Haye situation?

[Benncollinsaad]

the klit brothers are a pair of ******* that are scared of Dave Haye.

Where did they pull you out from?

[ßringer]

Why would he go into contract negotiations if he wasn't going to fight? Why didn't he go after Valuev before the Klitschko's?

Like I said, the deal Vitali offered was worse than Wlad's.

You can't say that for certain without posting what the stipulations were.

I know I was pretty shocked at the stipulations Wlad gave him.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Some people think he's fighting Valuev to get his hands on that title of his so that he can have more leverage when it comes to negotiating with the Klitschko brothers.

Pulling out of the Wlad fight for "injury" sounds kind of disgusting, but the stipulations Wlad wanted him to sign in that contract were also equally disgusting. (If Haye beat Wlad, he would then have to fight Vitali, and then Wlad once more. All the while the Klitschko's would've been making money off of him as well, assuming of course he won.)

And I think he's just plain afraid of Vitali.

Damn at that contract stipulation. That right there is extra greasy. Based on that, I'm not feeling the Klits on this. I don't see them making those demands for other fighters.

As far as who he can beat, I think Haye is positive he can beat the **** out of Wlad, and I give him a good chance to do so based on the glass jaw of Wlad. As for Vitali, just like you, I'm not so sure Haye really wants any of him either.

[ßringer]

Damn at that contract stipulation. That right there is extra greasy. Based on that, I'm not feeling the Klits on this. I don't see them making those demands for other fighters.

As far as who he can beat, I think Haye is positive he can beat the **** out of Wlad, and I give him a good chance to do so based on the glass jaw of Wlad. As for Vitali, just like you, I'm not so sure Haye really wants any of him either.

Agreed. I couldn't believe the contract stipulations Wlad hit him with. It was the first and only time I've ever heard of a contract where if you win, you have to fight the ex-Champion's brother (who's also a Champion), and then if you win that one, you have to rematch the original Champion and give them a split of your money.

I bet Don King even blushed at that one.

It's possible Vitali offered David a similar contract, but we don't know for sure because it was never released to the public.

All I know is that everything looked good, and then Haye didn't show up at the press conference and had his team put out a release that he's fighting Valuev instead.

[P4P Opinion]

To be honest I think Haye pulled out of fighting Vitali because he knew the contract wasn't worth it considering that Vitali is the meaner, tougher Klitschko. I think Haye was willing to sign the deal to face Wladimir, who he sees as weak due to his chin, but wasn't willing to take anything other than a decent deal to fight Vitali. I'm sure Haye thinks that beating Valuev will give him more leverage at the negotiating table, although I'm not so sure that either Klitschko will listen to him now.

[amir khan]

im sure david haye would love to fill you in

[Nuurzhaelan]

Damn at that contract stipulation. That right there is extra greasy. Based on that, I'm not feeling the Klits on this. I don't see them making those demands for other fighters.

As far as who he can beat, I think Haye is positive he can beat the **** out of Wlad, and I give him a good chance to do so based on the glass jaw of Wlad. As for Vitali, just like you, I'm not so sure Haye really wants any of him either.

Well, if you were taunted, chased and had images thrust at you depicting your sibling's severed head would you be eager to give that chump a fair deal? I think the reason haye went for the deal with Wladimir even though he did not like it is that his battleship mouth backed his row boat ass into a corner. Setanta going under was just a lucky break for him to have several plausible excuses to back out. Also, I agree that haye is legitimately afraid of Vitali, but Wladimir would still school haye.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Well, if you were taunted, chased and had images thrust at you depicting your sibling's severed head would you be eager to give that chump a fair deal? I think the reason haye went for the deal with Wladimir even though he did not like it is that his battleship mouth backed his row boat ass into a corner. Setanta going under was just a lucky break for him to have several plausible excuses to back out. Also, I agree that haye is legitimately afraid of Vitali, but Wladimir would still school haye.

This is a combat sport, if the Klits can't take a little ribbing in the process without getting their feelings hurt, they should find another line of work.

I'm bummed the Wlad fight didn't come off. I think it would have been really exciting.

[knn]

Pulling out of the Wlad fight for "injury" sounds kind of disgusting, but the stipulations Wlad wanted him to sign in that contract were also equally disgusting.

They were not disgusting.

Haye (= titless + nobody at heavyweight) wanted 2 fights with Klitschkos (since Haye wanted to unify the titles) and the brothers said, "OK, you get the 2 fights but we also want 1 rematch clause".

WHAT THE HELL IS UNFAIR ABOUT THIS?

This is not only COMPLETELY FAIR but also EXACTLY what Haye wanted (except probably the rematch) AND EXACTLY WHAT FANS want (= 3 unified title fights with the 3 best heavyweights).

Stop spinning the contract. It was completely fair. One of the best fan-friendly contracts we have seen in DECADES. That Haye bashes the contract is another lame excuse why his mouth is bigger than his fist.

Moreover Haye didn't pull out once but THRICE. First time when Setanta crashed (he claimed shadowboxing made him cry), second time after the Wlad-Chag fight (= since Wlad would have been available) and now the third time against Vitali.

Let's also not forget that Haye delivered EQUALLY DISAPPOINTING performances outside of the ring prior to the MONTE BARRETT fight. He announced opponents back and forth and the fights never manifestated. Haye and his manager are trashtalkers who obviously fail at social and contract skills. Even this contract was not coordinated with Golden Boy Promotions. Haye and BOOTH are dangerous for the sport.

That Haye can fight Valuev (Broke Back vs Mountain) now is possibly some string-pulling by Don King, who wants to get rid of Valuev and wants a more chari$matic world champion.

After Haye wins against Valuev prepare yourself for Haye STILL REFUSING to fight either of the Klitschkos. He will maybe fight guys like Ruiz and Toney for years.

[The_Visitation]

As far as who he can beat, I think Haye is positive he can beat the **** out of Wlad, and I give him a good chance to do so based on the glass jaw of Wlad. As for Vitali, just like you, I'm not so sure Haye really wants any of him either.

I don't think Haye has ever really shown a preference.. it was originally Vitali he went after, if anyone remembers back that far. I think he can beat either, although that wouldn't be where I would put my money. I actually give him a better chance against Vitali; I'm not convinced Wlad is significantly more 'chinny', but Vitali is no longer the fighter who lost to Lewis and I think Haye can just outwork him if he's smart.

All rather academic, now, until after the Valuev fight and permanently so if he loses it.