Who is the Bettern Fighter Gatti or Cotto?

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  • F l i c k e r
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    #51
    Originally posted by JACK D. RIPPER
    Dude you're nuts.

    Cotto Quintana's Gatti.

    This is a ******ed thread from ******ed poster.
    At 140? C'mon Dap, at 140? He couldn't even finish Malignaggi at 140.

    Originally posted by ny123
    cheated against judah and got a gift against clottey it is obvious that you have a strong bias against cotto which is clouding your judgement. also i dont know for sure if margs used plaster against cotto but how are you so sure that he didnt.
    Two extremely hard low blows isn't cheating? Clottey obviously won, ring generalship and effective aggression apparently isn't in the scoring criteria in New York. I dont have bias against Cotto, I just tell it like it is. I even said if he plays it like he did Mosley(a guy he couldn't finish) he could win. However, I see no reason why Cotto would play Gatti like he did Mosley because Gatti doesn't have the footwork, speed, or defense of Mosley. Gatti really isn't skilled at all, he just wont give up or get put away.

    I just noticed, I am the only one giving reasons why the guy I chose would win. Your just saying Cotto wins. No reasons, just saying he wins and dropping names.

    You have to factor in certain things when thinking about Margarito not using plaster. If you look at Margarito's track record, he is known for knocking guys blocks off. Then you look at Margarito's opponents with names (Clottey, PWill, Cintron). Clottey and PWill were hardly damaged. And Cintron was put away in 5 the first time, then you put in what people say "He would have used plaster after PWill." Well, Cintron was stopped in 6 the second time(after PWill), if he had plaster wouldn't Cintron be stopped sooner not later? Then if you want to detail Cotto's damage, go look at Sebastian Lujan. Then the way Cotto faught Clottey, shows that pressure is Cotto's kryptonite. The odds stack up in the favor of him not using plaster more so than using plaster.

    Then of course you add, "Innocent until proven guilty". Which ends accusations right there.

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    • JACK D. RIPPER
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      #52
      Originally posted by F l i c k e r
      At 140? C'mon Dap, at 140? He couldn't even finish Malignaggi at 140.

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      Cotto beats GAtti at 140, 240 or 340.

      And the only reason he didn't k.o Paulie is cuz' that dude was holding him more than Ricky Hatton.

      But he finished him alright.

      Paulie has never been the same since that fight.

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        #53
        Originally posted by JACK D. RIPPER
        Cotto beats GAtti at 140, 240 or 340.

        And the only reason he didn't k.o Paulie is cuz' that dude was holding him more than Ricky Hatton.

        But he finished him alright.

        Paulie has never been the same since that fight.
        coming from a ******

        who do you think will believe you?

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          #54
          Originally posted by JACK D. RIPPER
          Cotto beats GAtti at 140, 240 or 340.

          And the only reason he didn't k.o Paulie is cuz' that dude was holding him more than Ricky Hatton.

          But he finished him alright.

          Paulie has never been the same since that fight.
          I think you gotta rewatch Gatti-Ward trilogy.

          If Gatti loses it will be a Decision and it will be because of 1 of 2 reasons.

          1. Cotto fights Gatti like he did Mosley after round 7.
          2. The fight is in Madison Square Garden.

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          • ny123
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            #55
            Originally posted by chicano79us
            Sure buddy, if you say so.
            Originally posted by F l i c k e r
            At 140? C'mon Dap, at 140? He couldn't even finish Malignaggi at 140.



            Two extremely hard low blows isn't cheating? Clottey obviously won, ring generalship and effective aggression apparently isn't in the scoring criteria in New York. I dont have bias against Cotto, I just tell it like it is. I even said if he plays it like he did Mosley(a guy he couldn't finish) he could win. However, I see no reason why Cotto would play Gatti like he did Mosley because Gatti doesn't have the footwork, speed, or defense of Mosley. Gatti really isn't skilled at all, he just wont give up or get put away.

            I just noticed, I am the only one giving reasons why the guy I chose would win. Your just saying Cotto wins. No reasons, just saying he wins and dropping names.

            You have to factor in certain things when thinking about Margarito not using plaster. If you look at Margarito's track record, he is known for knocking guys blocks off. Then you look at Margarito's opponents with names (Clottey, PWill, Cintron). Clottey and PWill were hardly damaged. And Cintron was put away in 5 the first time, then you put in what people say "He would have used plaster after PWill." Well, Cintron was stopped in 6 the second time(after PWill), if he had plaster wouldn't Cintron be stopped sooner not later? Then if you want to detail Cotto's damage, go look at Sebastian Lujan. Then the way Cotto faught Clottey, shows that pressure is Cotto's kryptonite. The odds stack up in the favor of him not using plaster more so than using plaster.

            Then of course you add, "Innocent until proven guilty". Which ends accusations right there.
            the reasons are so obvious i cant belive you cant see them. they are 2 differnt leagues and to think gatti would be able to push cotto around the ring and apply the pressure like the much bigger margs did doesnt make sense to me. cotto would be coming forward and gatti would take one of the worst beatings he took in his career cotto is naturally stronger bigger and more skilled then gatti if it was that easy to just pressure cotto and beat him he wouldnt have the record he has now.

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              #56
              Originally posted by ny123
              the reasons are so obvious i cant belive you cant see them. they are 2 differnt leagues and to think gatti would be able to push cotto around the ring and apply the pressure like the much bigger margs did doesnt make sense to me. cotto would be coming forward and gatti would take one of the worst beatings he took in his career cotto is naturally stronger bigger and more skilled then gatti if it was that easy to just pressure cotto and beat him he wouldnt have the record he has now.
              This is at 140. Cotto could barely make 140.

              I think Gatti has it for all the reasons I stated. After 7 rounds the beast is gassed. Cotto could win if he played it like Mosley; back off, stay away, and box. Even though I believe Cotto will think like you and underestimate Gatti. It will be another Classic and it will be because Gatti wins when he is the major underdog.

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                #57
                i also disagree about your stance on margs. i think if he got caught loading his gloves in the very next fight against mosley and to look at cottos face i dont think it is too far fetched to assume he cheated against cotto. margs knew that the cotto fight was make or break for his carreer and a win would make him a hero in mexico so if he thought that why would he not try for that extra advantage that he tried for against shane when the the bigger fight was cotto.

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by F l i c k e r
                  This is at 140. Cotto could barely make 140.

                  I think Gatti has it for all the reasons I stated. After 7 rounds the beast is gassed. Cotto could win if he played it like Mosley; back off, stay away, and box. Even though I believe Cotto will think like you and underestimate Gatti. It will be another Classic and it will be because Gatti wins when he is the major underdog.
                  true cotto could barely make 140 but that also is a double edged sword because cotto would still come in at 150 + and would be the much bigger man and the more skilled fighter...

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                    #59
                    Gatti was tough but Cotto is much better all round

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                      #60
                      Originally posted by ny123
                      i also disagree about your stance on margs. i think if he got caught loading his gloves in the very next fight against mosley and to look at cottos face i dont think it is too far fetched to assume he cheated against cotto. margs knew that the cotto fight was make or break for his carreer and a win would make him a hero in mexico so if he thought that why would he not try for that extra advantage that he tried for against shane when the the bigger fight was cotto.


                      I dont believe he cheated Cotto. People assume he cheated Cotto because the way Cotto's face look. Yet way before Cotto, he nearly ripped a dude's ear off. When a man is known for absolutely dismantling opponents, you block, Cotto blocked with his face when he was tired. So of course he was going to look that way. It's like fighting Mike Tyson and choosing to keep your hands down, then claiming he cheated. Makes no sense.

                      Until Margarito himself says he cheated, the facts all add up saying he didn't cheat. His history says he didn't cheat. If he was in do or die mode after PWill, why did Cintron get stopped later than the 1st match? If he used it all the time, why wasn't Clottey or PWill's face destroyed? Just simply saying, he needed it for Cotto, makes no sense at all and is just an excuse to not accept his loss.

                      Cotto-Gatti could go either way though. I just dont see it being as easy a win for Cotto as some people are making it out to be.

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