Some thoughts on Pacquiao v Cotto - I'm started to lean closer towards Cotto

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  • fabzmm
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    #11
    Originally posted by Benncollinsaad
    Cotto beat a faster, Steward even said more skilled, man in Zab Judah. Don't ever forget that. Judah would give Pacqiao problems. At least in the first half of the fight, the front runner that he is. I think that Cotto will overawe Pacqiao.
    honestly zab is just as fast as pac and much bigger i thin he takes pac out (dead srs)

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    • Bushidō
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      #12
      Originally posted by S.G.
      I think people are underestimating the fact that Cotto is a very proficient boxer - as in boxer boxer - and if he were to win, that would be his key to victory.

      If he takes the Morales/Marquez route of boxing Pacquiao with controlled outbursts of aggression to put some hurt on his body every now and then, he can beat Pacman

      Pacquiao's improvement since the second Marquez fight - which he, in my and a lot of other people's eyes, lost - is being overstated somewhat in my opinion. The Pacquiao who crushed De La Hoya and Hatton is not so far from the one Marquez out-thought and often out-fought

      Now, Cotto may not be quite as good in the out-thinking area as Marquez, but he evens it up by excelling in the fighting area, with a large advantage in pure brute strength, which should ensure his body attacks bleed out more of Pacquiao's stamina and will to fight along with discouraging him from engaging so freely

      When the fight was first rumoured I was really confident Manny had Cotto's number and would likely beat him in a pretty violent fashion, but after some deeper consideration I'm not so sure anymore. Cotto will need to fight the fight of his life and be disciplined from the opening bell to the closing one, but he can do it.
      Yeah I totally agree with your assessment. People like to say Pacquiao has improved so much in every fight but he hasn't improved that much. Marquez was able to out think him and outbox him in the 2nd fight. What the DLH/Hatton fights proved was that Pacquiao's power carried to that weight. The thing with Pacquiao is that he is so fast and powerful that hes a difficult opponent for most people. I guess well find out if Cotto can out think Pacquiao.

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        #13
        Originally posted by fabzmm
        honestly zab is just as fast as pac and much bigger i thin he takes pac out (dead srs)
        Judah is tough for about 3 rounds then he just stops when his power shots aren't really working.

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          #14
          He ain't much bigger but anyway he was beating up Cotto for a little before lowblows the old Zab came back after a few rounds..

          Cotto should really win this he is supposed to be an Elite fighter is a good boxer has decent timing too and has a substantial weight advantage 147 vs 160 or something come fight night i'd expect..

          Can Pac take a legit ww punch flush if not from that powerful puncher in Cotto? im not sure but if he can Cotto probably gonna get stopped.

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            #15
            Originally posted by S.G.
            I think people are underestimating the fact that Cotto is a very proficient boxer - as in boxer boxer - and if he were to win, that would be his key to victory.

            If he takes the Morales/Marquez route of boxing Pacquiao with controlled outbursts of aggression to put some hurt on his body every now and then, he can beat Pacman

            Pacquiao's improvement since the second Marquez fight - which he, in my and a lot of other people's eyes, lost - is being overstated somewhat in my opinion. The Pacquiao who crushed De La Hoya and Hatton is not so far from the one Marquez out-thought and often out-fought

            Now, Cotto may not be quite as good in the out-thinking area as Marquez, but he evens it up by excelling in the fighting area, with a large advantage in pure brute strength, which should ensure his body attacks bleed out more of Pacquiao's stamina and will to fight along with discouraging him from engaging so freely

            When the fight was first rumoured I was really confident Manny had Cotto's number and would likely beat him in a pretty violent fashion, but after some deeper consideration I'm not so sure anymore. Cotto will need to fight the fight of his life and be disciplined from the opening bell to the closing one, but he can do it.
            Very good post!!!!

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              #16
              Originally posted by Left Hook Happy
              Judah is tough for about 3 rounds then he just stops when his power shots aren't really working.
              thats wih bigger opponents. manny wouldnt touch zab. he hasnt faced anyone as slick and quick as zab EVER. he would get KO'd. maybe not the zab now but the zab that fought cotto would demolish pac.

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                #17
                i agree.. everyone is avoiding the fact the miguel is a GREAT BOXER.. Manny is great too.. but miguel will make adjustments.. its just a matter of time that cotto will wear pacman down with those body shots.. but i really dont think miguel will win if he doesnt do something about his corner.. im very concerned about his trainer..

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                • street bully
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                  #18
                  TS I thought you knew better. While I think Pacquiao has not improved much since he fought marquez a second time, he has improved a helluva lot since he lost to EM by one point when he was a 1-2 fighter. Also you have to see that Cotto is nowhere as near up to the level of toughness in the chin category as EM, and that Morales had a lot more heart, and grit, and most of all STAMINA than Cotto. IMO Cotto isn't on Morales' level, and if Cotto gets hit anywhere as near as much as Morales did he will be sleeping by the 6th round.

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                    #19
                    Speed vs Timing

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by street bully
                      TS I thought you knew better. While I think Pacquiao has not improved much since he fought marquez a second time, he has improved a helluva lot since he lost to EM by one point when he was a 1-2 fighter. Also you have to see that Cotto is nowhere as near up to the level of toughness in the chin category as EM, and that Morales had a lot more heart, and grit, and most of all STAMINA than Cotto. IMO Cotto isn't on Morales' level, and if Cotto gets hit anywhere as near as much as Morales did he will be sleeping by the 6th round.
                      Co sign

                      Pac has grown, he's not a FW anymore he's a full blown JWW, Cotto fans best believe that

                      And a JWW Pacquiao is enough to beat a WW Cotto

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