Pac wants to contest Cotto’s title/ Cotto insists that it should be a Non Title!

[JM1]

lol....OK, we understand one another. mike is happy.

alright. were cool bro

[Bobby Shaw]

As I just reported, Bob Arum has twice told WBO president Francisco “Paco" Valcarcel that Pacman wants to contest Cotto’s title in their bout. As I also reported, it’s Cotto who is balking and saying through his attorney that it should be a non title match.

"First, the boxing community will be able to witness if Manny Pacquiao can continue to thrive and succeed in his heretofore impossible journey. Starting out at a mere 106 lb., the "Pacman" is vying for Cotto's welterweight belt. For Manny, that represents an astonishing 7th title in his 7th weight class. Among the all-time greats who have ever laced on the boxing gloves, no one in the entire history of the sport has ever attained such a feat (Oscar de la Hoya is the only other fighter to win 6 titles in 6 weight classes). Not Muhammad Ali. Not Rocky Marciano. Not Roberto Duran. Not Jack Dempsey."

I can't say the seventh weight class is a big deal in a boxing world which used to from flyweight at 112 pounds on up to seven other classes including heavyweight. In today's more the merrier world, there are world champs at 106, 108, 112 and 115 pounds before you even get to bantamweight.

http://www.examiner.com/x-5699-NY-Bo...e-those-straps

Pacquiao is crazy if he thinks Cotto will just give him a chance to fight for the title like that.The conditions have to change for Pacquiao to fight for the title.He's obviously ******ed or he thinks he's God's gift to boxing.
1-He has to have the fight at 147lbs for the title.He cant expect Cotto to come down to 145 and defend his own 147 title at 145 that's not right.
2-The purse split has to change,Cotto is the champion and he cant get 35% to defend his own title.
Pacquiao cant have his own cake and eat it too.

[mikelovesfood]

the difference is Cotto could come under 147 pounds of free will yet he IS NOT allowed to come in over the 145 pound limit for this fight basically he is allowed to be lighter but not allowed to be bigger. Is that ok with you? I mean is that how you want Pac to win his 7th title (if he does)

truly...if that is cotto's personal belief than i think he is a complete b1tch. this is cotto trying to get all technical over some little problem.

if he's using this argument because he' wants to protect the integrity of the WBO organization than i'd say it's fair game.

but, since it's in the best interest for both camps to have the belt on the line then imo i say put it on the damn line. this isn't new. it's not like this is the first time its been done in boxing history. nor does that justify it,but who really gives a damn. its 1 frigging lb.

[mikelovesfood]

Pacquiao is crazy if he thinks Cotto will just give him a chance to fight for the title like that.The conditions have to change for Pacquiao to fight for the title.He's obviously ******ed or he thinks he's God's gift to boxing.
1-He has to have the fight at 147lbs for the title.He cant expect Cotto to come down to 145 and defend his own 147 title at 145 that's not right.
2-The purse split has to change,Cotto is the champion and he cant get 35% to defend his own title.
Pacquiao cant have his own cake and eat it too.

your argument is flawed.

"1-He has to have the fight at 147lbs for the title.He cant expect Cotto to come down to 145 and defend his own 147 title at 145 that's not right."

Pac DOES NOT have to fight at 147lbs for the title.

Pac HAS TO weigh in between 141-147 to challenge the champion.

The real argument on cottos side is that if he's going to defend his belt he has have the free will to weigh in anywhere the WW scale even, if it means 147.

But, by Manny asking for a catchweight of 145 that tells Cotto basically that WW is 141-145 and that he can't weigh in on his own free will at 146 or 147.

Now technically, by WBO rules and regulation the defending champion should have that right to do so,but since he signed the contract that totally negates everything i've said from the 3rd sentence down

See how catchweights make everything complicated?

CW's are fine if its for superfights like DLH v. Pac where theres no belt on the line, but if there is a belt on the line and the Champ loses then well it'll be awkward and lame. Read my sig ffs.

[andrew14]

the difference is Cotto could come under 147 pounds of free will yet he IS NOT allowed to come in over the 145 pound limit for this fight basically he is allowed to be lighter but not allowed to be bigger. Is that ok with you? I mean is that how you want Pac to win his 7th title (if he does)

The negotiation is not yet finished. And its Cotto's demand not to take the

belt with it. The fight is WW max is 147. 141-146 is also WW.

They are catching 145 to make fight fair.

The works is to make fight balance. Pac is a smaller guy. Bigger guy is Cotto.

In fight night Cotto will weight 160 and Pac about 147-148.

Pac have to agree on 145 and not clear on belt but Cotto is ok with purse and

weight. 145 is easy for Cotto.

Look at Mosley he is trying to challenge Pac on 140.

Pac fought ODLH at 147 weighing 142 to 148 coz ODLH last fought at jr MW.

and cotto is no jr MW.

The underdog of this fight is pacman not cotto.

and Cotto will not be drained in 145 its no like ODLH from jr MW/MW fighter

going down from WW.

[Del Coqui]

dispute between making it a title fight at catch weight and not accepting it as a title fight....... this is up to opinions, in reality who gives a ***, this will be a great fight titles don't make a difference here.

[Luis12]

Cotto's being ******. Does he think he's still gonna be considered a champ if he loses to Pac? Just man up and put the belt on the line. It's just a belt. His name and popularity will help him score fights if he loses, not the ****** belt.

hatton was the Jr WW champ after the fraud circus

While I think Cotto should put the belt on the line, it's not too. Pac doesn't want to fight Cotto at 147 so basically don't give him a shot at 147 title - plain and simple. Want the title on the line? Make it a 147 fight.

agreed

Arum's an idiot for announcing the fight before it was actually signed. Now Cotto's holding that belt hostage and trying to squeeze more money.

This is bull****. Cotto wants to fight the p4p but without staking his title. What the hell will that strap represent if Pacquiao ****s him in Nov? Someone tell me. You think he can take comfort that he'd still be champ should he get an ass whuppin?

Fight the man, put the belt on the line. If Pac is putting his p4p status on the line by default, he should put his and make this fight historically significant.

putting his p4p status?? lmao

Tell Pacquiao to fight him at 147 then!!! If not STFU!

pac's looking like a princess right now. he knows that this will be his last fight after getting KO

[MJ406]

your argument is flawed.

"1-He has to have the fight at 147lbs for the title.He cant expect Cotto to come down to 145 and defend his own 147 title at 145 that's not right."

Pac DOES NOT have to fight at 147lbs for the title.

Pac HAS TO weigh in between 141-147 to challenge the champion.

The real argument on cottos side is that if he's going to defend his belt he has have the free will to weigh in anywhere the WW scale even, if it means 147.

But, by Manny asking for a catchweight of 145 that tells Cotto basically that WW is 141-145 and that he can't weigh in on his own free will at 146 or 147.

Now technically, by WBO rules and regulation the defending champion should have that right to do so,but since he signed the contract that totally negates everything i've said from the 3rd sentence down

See how catchweights make everything complicated?

CW's are fine if its for superfights like DLH v. Pac where theres no belt on the line, but if there is a belt on the line and the Champ loses then well it'll be awkward and lame. Read my sig ffs.

**regarding the first bold, your right, 147 is the max for Welter, hell Cotto weighed in at 146 for his last Welter fight .. one can hope that with a good diet and etc come Nov 14th Cotto can drop the extra lb and be at a healthy 145 by weigh in time

**about the second bold, yeah that is true, I think you commented on my other topic where I spelled out the exact definition of Welterweight, and every def. I found specifically stated it's a division with a max weight of 147.. emphasis on the one forty seven max

you get the idea, a catchweight of 145 slightly alters that above definition, we get it, no need to rehash that point, you already stated it (it's in the green)

but I slightly disagree with the Cotto signing contract doesn't give him a right to complain about title or not title fight (that is what your saying right .. if not please correct me)

as if Team Pacquiao can **** with the weight (by making it 145)

who's saying Cotto can't play mind games back, by not wanting it for the title?

even though titles have been fought at catchweights before (B-Hop vs Wink and DLH-B-Hop to name 2 semi recent ones)

**last bold yeah no kidding catchweights make things more complicated .. and add a whole headache to the situation. **** I think everyone knows this, but if this fight wasn't at a catchweight, the title not being on the line wouldn't be an issue. the fight would be Cotto vs Pacquiao for the WBO Welter title end of story.

so at the end of the day, the title not being on the line wouldn't be the end of the world, but as a boxing fan, you can't help but find this issue just a bit agitating.

haven't read your sig, but I will do so.

[Addition]

Cotto needs to man up, Pac is taking a big risk fighting Cotto so he should put his title on the line, the fight is still at WW.

[PRPOWERPUNCHES]

This should a non-title fight.

Manny thinks he's (Burger King) and wants his way. If you go back and look at all the great fighters in history, they all went up to the next weight class and competed, some have lost and the great one's won. The rules shouldn't change for Manny, the world doesn't revolve around Manny and if it was up to him and the Roach, he'd want the WBO title fight to be at 143. So *** him!!