Rocky Marciano vs Joe Frazier ~ Who Would Win?

[AintGottaClue]

just to clear stuff up ali is the best hope that helps

[leff]

This would have been amongst the toughest most grueling fight,

Very likely that one off them would get permanently hurt.

Frazier had an inch and about 20 lbs on rock.

But had great heart, chin and power.

But i must give the edge too the rock fore even bigger heart, better and power in both arms not only the left hook.

The rock by late KO.

[dodge]

just to clear stuff up ali is the best hope that helps

Yes it does. Ali beat men that would have killed Marciano.

[dodge]

I think Frazier wins if he can survive the 1st 3 rounds.

[hollister]

As Don King would say that is Rediculosity. When Joe Fraizer beat Ali the first time, it was honestly discussed whether or not he was the greatest fighter ever. It was a debate between him and Ali, Rocky is a distant third at best.

I like Frazier alot, but the Ali he beat had just come back into the game, and was a far cry from what he had been before being forced into exile. With both Rocky and Frazier being inside fighters, it's not reaching too much to say that Frazier's chin would get tested, as well as his conditioning, as he slowed considerably in the later rounds, in hard fights, where the rock really didn't fight much different in the last round than he did in the opening round. Frazier also wasn't any faster than the rock, IF he was as fast. I dunno who would win, but it would be a great fight, that much I'm sure of.

[dodge]

IMO The rock wouldn't have been undefeated if he had fought in the 70's with Ali, Foreman, Norton ect. Rock beat a way past prime Louis and got knocked down by a light heavyweightin Moore. Frazier would have used Marciano as a punching bag.

[whdempsey]

Whoa man, watch it, you're about to go off half ****ed, I can see it coming. Moore was not just another lightheavy, he was one of the hardest punching lightheavies ever. Marciano was only dropped twice in a 49-fights career. I don't care who you are, that there's impressive right there. By comparison Frazier got dropped what, 12 times? Go on all you want about level of competition, going down six times more than another fighter is no accident. Point being, mebbe he would not be undefeated if he fought in the 70's, but he would be no journeyman.

[dodge]

Whoa man, watch it, you're about to go off half ****ed, I can see it coming. Moore was not just another lightheavy, he was one of the hardest punching lightheavies ever. Marciano was only dropped twice in a 49-fights career. I don't care who you are, that there's impressive right there. By comparison Frazier got dropped what, 12 times? Go on all you want about level of competition, going down six times more than another fighter is no accident. Point being, mebbe he would not be undefeated if he fought in the 70's, but he would be no journeyman.

Good points.

[phallus]

Whoa man, watch it, you're about to go off half ****ed, I can see it coming. Moore was not just another lightheavy, he was one of the hardest punching lightheavies ever. Marciano was only dropped twice in a 49-fights career. I don't care who you are, that there's impressive right there. By comparison Frazier got dropped what, 12 times? Go on all you want about level of competition, going down six times more than another fighter is no accident. Point being, mebbe he would not be undefeated if he fought in the 70's, but he would be no journeyman.

archie moore is the greatest lightheavyweight of all time, and hE HAS THE MOST KO'S OF ANY BOXER THAT EVER LIVED - 145 knockouts! you guys are also forgetting one important thing, the rock was Frazier's idol - why do you think their styles were so similar? because frazier grew up watching the rock's fights as champ, he wanted to be marciano, and came as close as he could. Frazier would respect rocky too much if they fought, more important, he'd also be afraid of him. marciano by KO. oh, and another note, because i know this is gonna come up next - marciano punched harder than Foreman ( i can prove this with science if u like - hell, i'll do it right now. anybody that studied physics knows that transmitting force is about distance, the shorter and closer the punch, the more velocity and power. Foreman was a big puncher, but he hit from too far away, if Foreman did his work on the inside like Rocky did he'd have scrambled Ali's brains in Zaire )

[Yogi]

Rock got knocked down by a light heavyweightin Moore.

Yeah, Archie Moore was a great light heavyweight, wasn't he? But are you really going to hold that knockdown against Marciano when both fighters came into the ring weighing about the EXACT same thing (both weighed 188 lbs. for that fight)?

If you are then you might want to criticize the chin of the guy who beat Frazier in two out of three, while he was well past his prime (and a guy you've already praised in this thread). Muhammad Ali was about knocked out by a fighter who not only weighed less than what Moore did for Marciano, but a guy that he had about 25 pounds on...Henry Cooper.

If Marciano's chin is going to be a factor in fantasy fights because of that knockdown (which was a perfect right hand that caught Rocky coming in and knocked him down for a brief count), what does that make Ali's (who had about or close to the best chin of all-time)?