Hopkins has to be Top 10 ATG....Seriously.

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  • djtmal
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    #151
    Originally posted by ИATAS206
    you idiots have absolutely no perspective, probably because none of you truly followed hopkins career.

    Before beating trinidad, hopkins had a very hard time getting fights. He had a reputation of someone no one wanted to do business with. Hopkins fought the establishment in boxing, first suing Butch Lewis because he was only paid $250,000 out of $1 million for his fight with Roy Jones, then sued America Presents for breach of contract and he fought anyone and everyone who he thought did him dirty. As a result, it was difficult for hopkins to land bigger fighters. Don King had Holmes, Joppy and Trinidad under promotional contracts, hopkins wasn't even in the picture to fight any of these guys until king put together the middleweight tournament, which he foolishly thought Tito would win easily.
    please man get real with the excuses will ya...hopkins chose to put himself in that position with that jailbird mentality...always thinking "the man" is doing him dirty...the casual fan just wants to see good matchups and at that time hopkins wasn't fighting nobody noteworthy...fighting part-time firefighters like bo james...get real

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    • WhoreUs
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      #152
      Originally posted by ИATAS206
      Why is that so hard for you to understand??
      what makes you think i don't understand it?

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      • WhoreUs
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        #153
        Originally posted by Nubian King
        Lets summarize Duran's Top 5 ATG career

        Weak LW run and lost to a bum
        Fluke win over Leonard
        No Mas
        Followed by many losses

        And is ATG Top 5

        WOW
        duran's resume JUST at 135 is better than hopkins' entire career.

        add to that winning titles at 147 , 154 and 160 at the downside of his prime......just ****s on hopkins.

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        • ИATAS
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          #154
          Originally posted by djtmal
          please man get real with the excuses will ya...hopkins chose to put himself in that position with that jailbird mentality...always thinking "the man" is doing him dirty...the casual fan just wants to see good matchups and at that time hopkins wasn't fighting nobody noteworthy...fighting part-time firefighters like bo james...get real
          See this goes to show you have absolutely no perspective and no idea how the game works.

          Hopkins was a head of his time in many ways. In the 90's fighters had very little control of their own destinies and hopkins was out to change that, and rightfully so. Hopkins also fought very hard for, and was, an advocate for fighters' rights and even testified before Congress in support of the Muhammad Ali Boxing Reform Act by which he made many enemies within the boxing industry (he was one of the few active fighters that had the balls to testify).

          And to call it a jailbird mentality is ridiculous...would you say the same about Marvin Hagler who also fought the boxing establishment for much of his career??

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          • Nubian King
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            #155
            Originally posted by Mr._Pink
            duran's resume JUST at 135 is better than hopkins' entire career.

            add to that winning titles at 147 , 154 and 160 at the downside of his prime......just ****s on hopkins.
            He lost to a bum at 135, and try don't to put gloss on that bum. A bum is a bum

            Why are you not counting Duran's losses. He lost to absolutely nobodies.

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            • ИATAS
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              #156
              Originally posted by Mr._Pink
              what makes you think i don't understand it?
              because you clearly said it effected his streak and I quote, "as far as the draw. that's how his title reign began."

              How can a title reign begin without having the titles? You make no sense. The Draw means nothing for his 20 title defenses as he didn't even have the titles.

              His title reign began when he won his first belt, which was the rematch and he won by 5th round KO.

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              • Nuurzhaelan
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                #157
                Seriously, no he doesn't.

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                • WhoreUs
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                  #158
                  Originally posted by ИATAS206
                  because you clearly said it effected his streak and I quote, "as far as the draw. that's how his title reign began."

                  How can a title reign begin without having the titles? You make no sense. The Draw means nothing for his 20 title defenses as he didn't even have the titles.

                  His title reign began when he won his first belt, which was the rematch and he won by 5th round KO.
                  there's a difference between misusing/misstating facts and not understanding the facts.

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                  • ИATAS
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                    #159
                    Originally posted by Mr._Pink
                    there's a difference between misusing/misstating facts and not understanding the facts.
                    so you admit your statements were incorrect?

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                    • WhoreUs
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                      #160
                      Originally posted by Nubian King
                      He lost to a bum at 135, and try don't to put gloss on that bum. A bum is a bum

                      Why are you not counting Duran's losses. He lost to absolutely nobodies.
                      esteban dejesus is a bum?



                      what the hell is clinton mitchell then? and jermain taylor?

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