Mikkel Kessler Can Still Become #1 SMW Ever

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  • hookoutofhell
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    #21
    Originally posted by barry big balz
    kessler if wins will have better resume than calzaghe end of! 10 years of what excactly?? 1 real challanger and that was kessler! who turned it on too late and was a little over cautious with the slapper calzaghe!
    not enitrely true, calzaghe dominsted the division for over 10 years and made 20 odd defence, held every belt at one point and established himself with wins over the old (eubank) and new (kessler).

    this tourney seems to have got some people into overdrive, yes its a good thing that the tournament is being made but in all honesty only kessler, AA and possibly bute are worthy of mention in the same sentence as calzaghe.

    dirrell and ward are too green, froch is a KO loss waiting to happen, JT seems spent, andrade is exciting but any top fighter would UD him, outside the tournament there is bute but even then he has his stamina problems and could end up like JT.

    now if i was to take some of the lesser competition that zaghe faced (prime robin reid, brewer, mitchell, lacy, sheika) i think they would all give the second group of fighters i mentioned a good fight. especially reid who was a very good champ in his heyday.

    seriously man calzaghes resume is often underrated.

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      #22
      Originally posted by The_Visitation
      What 'close fight'? It was certainly a hard fight but unless required by the original contract you only tend to see rematches when the result was disputed.. and nobody seriously claims that Kessler should have won.

      Kessler will never surpass Calzaghe's record simply because he lost what would be the defining fight in both their careers. With both at their prime, they fought and JC won. End of.

      Prime Calzaghe would have won this tourney without breaking sweat. If he was ever going to lose, it would have been to B-Hop (or Dawson) at LHW.
      I also think Joe won. But not by as much as others. Public demand for a rematch hasn't been there although it would be nice to see if Joe could have handled Mikkel without a broken hand. But that's just a personal opinion.

      The comment about Kessler being unable to surpass Joe because of Joe's 0 is laughable. What about Ottke then? Is Ottke as good as Joe or Kess?
      What if Brian Nielsen had retired 49-0? Would he then be as good as Marciano?
      Undefeated and protecting the 0 is sooooooo overrated by some on this forum. Perhaps you'll some day be able to understand that the level of opposition has something to do with legacy as well.

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        #23
        Originally posted by BattlingNelson
        I also think Joe won. But not by as much as others. Public demand for a rematch hasn't been there although it would be nice to see if Joe could have handled Mikkel without a broken hand. But that's just a personal opinion.

        The comment about Kessler being unable to surpass Joe because of Joe's 0 is laughable. What about Ottke then? Is Ottke as good as Joe or Kess?
        What if Brian Nielsen had retired 49-0? Would he then be as good as Marciano?
        Undefeated and protecting the 0 is sooooooo overrated by some on this forum. Perhaps you'll some day be able to understand that the level of opposition has something to do with legacy as well.
        When Brian Nielsen knocked out Jeremy Williams, did they have a parade for him in Denmark?

        And yeah, the zero is overated a lot of times. Valuev almost got Marciano's record as well.

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          #24
          Originally posted by jreckoning
          When Brian Nielsen knocked out Jeremy Williams, did they have a parade for him in Denmark?

          And yeah, the zero is overated a lot of times. Valuev almost got Marciano's record as well.
          Lol. No it went unnoticed. Marciano's record is overrated as well. But not by the danes! We know our boxing

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            #25
            Originally posted by BattlingNelson
            Lol. No it went unnoticed. Marciano's record is overrated as well. But not by the danes! We know our boxing
            I only bring that up becomes the dumb americans had a parade for sorry ass Sam Peter when he did.


            And he was "undefeated" and when he stepped up he went a whopping 6-3 with 2 ko's since.

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              #26
              Originally posted by egreezy
              Even with his loss to Calzaghe if he wins this tournament he can end up with wins over Taylor, Abraham, Froch, Ward, or Dirrell. And even after its over he can get wins over Pavlik, Bute, Green, Jacobs. The pool is so deep right his resume @SMW will surpass Calzaghe who refused a rematch after their close fight.
              Their fight wasn't that close. It's not like Calzaghe beat Kessler by only one point or something, it was 8-4 or 9-3.



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                #27
                Originally posted by barry big balz
                kessler if wins will have better resume than calzaghe end of! 10 years of what excactly?? 1 real challanger and that was kessler! who turned it on too late and was a little over cautious with the slapper calzaghe!
                Why would anyone need to be cautious with a "slapper"?



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                  #28
                  Originally posted by gingeralbino
                  if kessler beats all those guys he'll have a very good resume, and could even improve it depending on what he does after.

                  And that makes Joe's win over Kessler even better, and in 10 years when people are talking about who the best SMW ever was, Joe or Kessler - the last sentence of that argument will be Joe beat Kessler. Pretty easily.
                  Is Morales getting a boost because of his win over Pacquiao, it doesn't work like that man.
                  Originally posted by Dynamite Kid
                  You must see something in Kessler that i dont, because i dont think he is capable of beating all of those fighters.
                  I think he is very capable of doing so, will he do it is another story.
                  Originally posted by boxasmash
                  no, he wont.

                  calzaghe beat him by a wide decision.
                  I don't believe it was wide UD. Calzaghe won some rounds more convincingly, but I think Kessler edged out some of the closer ones making the score closer. I don't see anyone can give him only 3 or 4 rounds in that fight.

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by S a m u r a i
                    Why would anyone need to be cautious with a "slapper"?
                    Exactly. I just watched the fight last night, its one of my favourite Calzaghe fights, and Joe really outclassed Mikkel. Even though Kessler put up a great, great fight.

                    Broken hand or no broken hand, the result would have been the same. And Kessler went onto berserk mode in round 12 and we all saw what happened, Joe went and fought his fight and still won.

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by egreezy
                      I don't believe it was wide UD. Calzaghe won some rounds more convincingly, but I think Kessler edged out some of the closer ones making the score closer. I don't see anyone can give him only 3 or 4 rounds in that fight.
                      I think you need to watch that fight again. First, remove any bias, though.



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