Can someone explain how Pac not fighting Guzman = Him Ducking black fighters when

[WhoreUs]

You're wrong, Guzman was ranked #3 before he fought Soto and he was on top of the list to fight Pacquiao instead of Barrera, but for some reason or another he didn't get it. He fought Soto as the #3 in November 07 and Pacquiao fought Marquez at 130 in March 08 so he still lasted 5 months after Guzman was still up top in the rankings.

With time at 122 together as beltholders. I'm not saying Pac ducked, but the time they spent as highly ranked fighters in the same division sur looks like it.

ummm......

barrera was above guzman , senor.

barrera retired in october of 2007.

you're looking at the year end rankings of ring for 2007.

obviously barrera was no longer on it since he retired after the losses to pacquiao and marquez.



don't even bring up 122. guzman didn't win a belt 'til 2004. his first good win.

before that guzman was ranked in the bottom of the top 10 but never one of the top ranked guys.

pacquiao left 122 in 2003.

your timing is off.

[aether]

pac fought what's best for his legacy or what will give him the most money.

saying he blatantly ducked a certain race/style is so god damn ******ed i can't believe there are people agreeing with it. people need to drop this ****.

nate campbell is a ****ing moron.

[kocface]

The ****?..Have you ever seen JMM fight you cant miss the guy...LMFAO.

ummm maybe cuz it was p4p #1 vs #2. of course its gone be war

[Deja_Vous]

Dominicans damn near get offended when someone thinks or ask them if there black. Nate and john david need to stop. The reason they cant name any is because there arent any black fighters he has ducked. Ive followed the lower classes and even remember when pac got KO'd by Medgeon like it was yesterday.

There are PLENTY Black people in the Dominican Republic.Guzman is one of them.

Self hatred is common in latin america's Black population...that's why they get all offended.

In a recent poll

80% of all puerto ricans consider themselves WHITE

The same is true with dominicans.

[Deja_Vous]

Ugh no!!!! for 90% of JMM career he was a mostly defensive counter puncher and you can't be a counter puncher if you get hit all the time now can you. Watch the first pacman fight and watch Manny hit nothing but air from rounds 2-10.


It's like you watched a couple Mexican fighters on Telefutura and suddenly you know how JMM fights. Next time actually watch one of his fights please.

JMM defence sucks.

That's why he has more scar-tissue than a retired rodeo clown.

[Khalid X]

There are PLENTY Black people in the Dominican Republic.Guzman is one of them.

Self hatred is common in latin america's Black population...that's why they get all offended.

In a recent poll

80% of all puerto ricans consider themselves WHITE

The same is true with dominicans.

thats my point. People bring up Guzman as a potential black fighter. I know im generalizing but how can someone claim him as black when dominicans dont even consider themselves so. Thats the arguement killer.

hell believe it or not, every human has african blood in them if you really want to get technical....but thats another story for another day. The difference is only Africans and African Americans truly claim there african ancestry.

[Khalid X]

Marquez use to have a great defense, now, he doesn't. He was getting hit by Jandaeng and Jaca pretty easy for a great defense. Jandaeng barely landed half of what he did on Guzman when they fought and he was still undefeated.

JMM might hold a lot of other categories on Joan, but defense is not one of them.


If this is where you're going with it, this should have gone in the lounge, but I'm a give it to you uncut.

It's simple, Dominicans are proud and don't want to get confused with 'black people' (african americans) because we're not. We identify ourselves as Dominican and nothing else.

Now, if you say that we have African ancestry, a Dominican that knows his roots would say yes because we have African blood. We are Taino (the name of the founding Indian) more than anything, then Spanish, then African (that's based off a blood analyzing test).

I see what you are saying. But you also misread what I said. I said "Every dominican Ive met has said that...and denied there African Ancestry". Your right about a Dominican that knows his ancestry would recognize this hence the ones that Ive met are ignorant to the fact.

But I see what you are saying and Im not knocking them for wanting to be Identified as Dominican not african american. Thats the point I was making...Its clear that yall identify yourselves as that and not African american, making the guzman being AA a very dumb argument as to manny ducking black fighters.