Alright guys, here are some simple, basic boxing questions....

[My Name Is...]

Why is it that fighters like Ortiz, that are supposed to be superior, drop their hands when they punch??

Why do the lean and reach from far outside???

Why do they back straight up, instead of pivoting out, or going to your left or right???

And why the hell do you back up and create distance, when you are on the inside, and all of your success came on the inside??

I mean 9 out of 10 guys that REALLY know boxing know these things....

It is the basics... The fundamentals.... The adding and subtraction of boxing if you will....

I cant understand how these guys that have fought their entire life, can not do these things.... These simple, basic, fundamentals.....

Its like knowing Trigonometry, and not being able to add or subtract....

Just had to vent....

[My Name Is...]

Oh, and also this question....

Who do you blame for these mistakes.....

The trainers for not being able to instill these fundamentals in their fighter??? I mean I have seen some trainers not saying anything when their fighter throws a jab and drops his hand....

Or the fighter for not doing what he was told to do???

[TredKiller]

ive noticed these things as well,
my trainer is always telling me to do thses things, but i rarely see pros do it.

[My Name Is...]

ive noticed these things as well,
my trainer is always telling me to do thses things, but i rarely see pros do it.

Exactly....

My dad was an assistant trainer to two champions... Jesse Benavidez, and Lupe Suarez.... He was Kenny Weldons assistant....

You know what he made my brother do when he was throwing jabs and dropping his hands???

He would tie shoe strings, or tape his right hand to his temple and make him throw ONLY jabs for hours at a time..... After a couple of times of that, and the humiliation of looking ****** in the gym... He learned....

And guess what....

My brother had the meanest, nastiest jab in the gym....

[LEFTYGUNZZ]

Why is it that fighters like Ortiz, that are supposed to be superior, drop their hands when they punch??

Why do the lean and reach from far outside???

Why do they back straight up, instead of pivoting out, or going to your left or right???

And why the hell do you back up and create distance, when you are on the inside, and all of your success came on the inside??

I mean 9 out of 10 guys that REALLY know boxing know these things....

It is the basics... The fundamentals.... The adding and subtraction of boxing if you will....

I cant understand how these guys that have fought their entire life, can not do these things.... These simple, basic, fundamentals.....

Its like knowing Trigonometry, and not being able to add or subtract....

Just had to vent....

Because fighter like Ortiz have the natural talent to get by with these types of mistakes...Once they make it to the A Class of fighters they get exploited....Their natural talent can make up for the mistakes they make and the bad habits they have for only so long....Fightign 4 rounders and 6 rounders and 8 rounders against D and C level fighters then stepping up to journey men and then fighting other top prospects is totally differnt.....The get exposed for what they are...Just look at JT constantly pulls straight back holds his left super low...He gets lazy with his jab abd gets counter with the straight right all the time...Carl Froch props to him but JT skill wise should shut that guy out everytime but because of the reasons you stated above and stamina which is KEY.....Lefty

[ragingvic]

Blame ODLH for mathcing ortiz in fight that last 25 sec and equal to absolutely 0 experince. The best way to learn and teach is the actual experince of a fight, there is no way to imitate it in the gym.

[My Name Is...]

Because fighter like Ortiz have the natural talent to get by with these types of mistakes...Once they make it to the A Class of fighters they get exploited....Their natural talent can make up for the mistakes they make and the bad habits they have for only so long....Fightign 4 rounders and 6 rounders and 8 rounders against D and C level fighters then stepping up to journey men and then fighting other top prospects is totally differnt.....The get exposed for what they are...Just look at JT constantly pulls straight back holds his left super low...He gets lazy with his jab abd gets counter with the straight right all the time...Carl Froch props to him but JT skill wise should shut that guy out everytime but because of the reasons you stated above and stamina which is KEY.....Lefty

I feel what you are saying.....

But I just cant understand, having coaches and trainers and cutmen in the corner, and none of these guys can instill something as small as keeping your hand up while you jab......

And how can people like Arum and Oscar invest so much money into these fighters, and not have them at a top level.

Its the fact that they have been at this for YEARS and YEARS... and they still cant get down the basics....

Its ridiculous....

[My Name Is...]

Blame ODLH for mathcing ortiz in fight that last 25 sec and equal to absolutely 0 experince. The best way to learn and teach is the actual experince of a fight, there is no way to imitate it in the gym.

Promoting my ass....

Reaching from the outside is something you learn NOT to do as a KID in the ring.....

Hours and hours of practice and training, and just knowing the game, you should know not to do that....

Backing straight up.... BASIC

Keeping your opposite hand up on a jab... That is the first thing you learn to do after you learn to stand correctly....

BASIC ****.....

I really dont get it....

[The Gully Gad]

Ortiz does evertything perfect.....




When im using him on FN4...

[Pullcounter]

Why is it that fighters like Ortiz, that are supposed to be superior, drop their hands when they punch??

bad habits

Why do the lean and reach from far outside???

cause their footwork is wrong

Why do they back straight up, instead of pivoting out, or going to your left or right???

bad habit

And why the hell do you back up and create distance, when you are on the inside, and all of your success came on the inside??

maybe he's trying to create room to punch

I mean 9 out of 10 guys that REALLY know boxing know these things....

It is the basics... The fundamentals.... The adding and subtraction of boxing if you will....

I cant understand how these guys that have fought their entire life, can not do these things.... These simple, basic, fundamentals.....

Its like knowing Trigonometry, and not being able to add or subtract....

Just had to vent....

true, but it doesn't come naturally, it has to be trained into you, that said, guys that takes short-cuts in training lack the fundamentals.

Oh, and also this question....

Who do you blame for these mistakes.....

The trainers for not being able to instill these fundamentals in their fighter??? I mean I have seen some trainers not saying anything when their fighter throws a jab and drops his hand....

Or the fighter for not doing what he was told to do???

partly on the trainer, partly on the boxer

trainer has to know that the boxer is slacking and fix it.

boxer should do what his trainer tells him.