“Fighting Words” – To The Spoiler Went Victor

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by David P. Greisman - What could have been a Cinderella story started when Victor Ortiz was 12.

He had been abandoned by his mother years earlier. Ortiz’s father often would leave him and his siblings to fend for themselves.

But Ortiz was taken in by a tutor at his boxing gym in Garden City, Kan. She helped Ortiz focus on the sweet science, a fairy godmother who would put him on the path from rags to riches.

He had money. He had a future, too, as one of the top prospects in the sport, a junior welterweight headlining for the first time on HBO. The bout, against Marcos Maidana of Argentina, was for a sanctioning body’s “interim” world title, a lesser recognition that nevertheless could afford him greater opportunity.

What could have been a Cinderella story ended before 12.

It didn’t even last six.

The bout was stopped 46 seconds into the sixth round. Ortiz had gone down after a left hook to the body, beaten mentally, bleeding from a cut above his right eye. There was swelling around his left eye.

The end was in sight.

The same could have been said five rounds earlier.

Ortiz had just missed with a jab halfway into that first round. Maidana began to throw a right hand, but Ortiz, a southpaw, landed a short right hook first. Maidana dropped straight down. [details]

[Piper the Great]

tapping aint the same as quitting. this dude str8 up said im not laying down for nobody. in other words if i dont think i can beat this dude "i quit". imo unless he & gbp can get his mind right he is done. this shouldve been a learning experience & help him mature but he rather QUIT.

[makaveli777]

It was a exciting fight, it's a shame Ortiz didn't stick to his gameplan, he wasn't outclassed, his early success is what also cost him the fight. He tried to get Maidana out quickly and paid.

He was beat mentally and he looked hurt, he knew he'd blown it and took the easier way out, although the hard way could have cost him life or senses. Better to live to fight another day with all his senses, this loss could make him stronger and take less needless chances in the future.

[livedj1]

Great fight! Maidana was slower and not as polished, but would not be denied. Victor went head hunting after the early knockdowns and it cost him. His post fight interview did surprise me. I would have thought that from all his misfortune as a youth, he would want to go out on his shield. He definitely wont be a "REAL" champion again. Maybe some NABF title at most.

[swizz]

yea he didnt want nmore one thing is too take knee but he said in the post fight interview that he has alot to think about and it almost sounds like he is thinking of hanging them up

[GameBullDawg]

too long just delete

The mixed martial artists paragraph is an important one. MMA can quit and all is fine but not boxers.

Fans label boxers QUITTERS !

Men who are brave enough to step into the ring !

Labeled warriors who fight to the death !

IMO MMA was before boxing only it wasn't in an Octagon but plain ole street fighting, and it became more sopisticated , the ring and rules for a more manly art of fighting to see WHO IS BEST !!!!!

I have no doubt anyone who steps into a ring or puts gloves on in a backyard has some measure of bravery ! The TEST becomes more profound as folks step up in competition, isn't this obivious????

The PRECEPS for fighting applys quite closely for dogs, chickens and men ! Some of you don't understand this and I don't say this to harrass anyone , I am just stating my case as I see it , smiles.

Precep 1. If all three QUIT they will quit again.

I DO NOT FIGHT DOGS OR CHICKENS AND HAVE NEITHER < BUT>

1. a dog that quits is a cur, he will quit again against a dog that test him, he is brave to a point. He MAY STOP ON TOP !!!!!! OLD DOG MEN WON"T FIGHT HIM AGAIN !!!! Ignorant people may put some big bad collar on him and some big LOG chain and call him a red nose or blue nose HA ! and think they have SONNY LISTON on a lead but all they have is something brave enough to whip yard dogs BUT NOT THE COMPETITION !!! To say he would fight to the death if furtherest from the TRUTH !!!!!!

2. Same with Chickens , I just can't remember what you call a chicken that quits.

3. Same with men !!! Different scale, Men can't and won't take what a dog or chicken will. HENCE HOLYFIELD TYSON II

a. The quitters that box are brave to a point.

1. Backyard boxing stops some and they quit.

2. Amateurs quit and don't advanced , some are game but not
good enough,
3. Pros get tested , some quit and are done in

b. YOU CAN't look into the heart of a man UNTIL YOU TEST HIM !

1. Same with dogs and chickens

Boxing is not about fighting to the death !!!! Hahahahahaha thats VENEER ! thats the media, thats fans who whoop it up with all their avatars of crazy looking freak warriors,,,,,,,VENEER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There have been men that might have ????????? ALI FRAISER III ????

SO who QUIT ???? ORTIZ DID ! He was tested. I hate it but it happened. The GAME-ER man won, not the best technically . The TEST proved him out !!

With dogs and chickens its written in stone. ONCE they quit , they QUIT again !!!!!

Because man can reason hopefully something can happen but My instincts say a QUITTER will quit again, no matter his cinderalla story, no matter WHAT !!!!!

Watch CHICKENweatherRUNthanFIGHT , all he needs to do is fight the right person with the right pressure making the RIGHT TEST !!!!!!!!!!

Da Crazy OLD OLD MANG

[Dave Rado]

In Los Angeles, Victor Ortiz walked to the ring to music from “Beat It” and “Thriller.” [details]

He should have used the music of "Can I go on?" instead.

[Pullcounter]

It was a exciting fight, it's a shame Ortiz didn't stick to his gameplan, he wasn't outclassed, his early success is what also cost him the fight. He tried to get Maidana out quickly and paid.

He was beat mentally and he looked hurt, he knew he'd blown it and took the easier way out, although the hard way could have cost him life or senses. Better to live to fight another day with all his senses, this loss could make him stronger and take less needless chances in the future.

yeah, but he lost a lot of luster... I dunno if the mexican crowd will accept him after the quittage.

[BIGCHIPSKI]

At least he didn't resort to illegal tactics like Tito, Cotto and Tyson (juicing, loaded gloves, low blows, ear biting, etc). He had enough. He was gassed (inside sources said he had a weight issue). He was already busted up bad so he gave up to the better man (that night). A lot of so called GREATS could not take as well as they gave. Some of those names are mentioned above. I seem to remember a guy named Duran who quit too. Anybody wanna argue his credentials?

[Dave Rado]

There's a great article on The Sweet Science, here, which points out why his background contributed psychologically to what happened. Some extracts:

Yet when you consider the life young Ortiz has lived who could blame him? After it was over my wife, a compassionate and reasonable person, said, “Maybe he’s just tired of being beaten. Maybe he just decided he didn’t want to put up with it any more.’’

Maybe he didn’t and who could criticize him for feeling that way? The sad fact is Victor Ortiz has been beaten on since he was a little boy in Kansas. Beaten by his father, psychologically abused by his mother, abandoned by both of them by the time he was 12. Beaten down, as he has said, until he felt like a dog.

The two people who were supposed to protect him from the world left him adrift in it. A society that is supposed to look out for waifs in such sad circumstances took three years to figure out he was a living with his sister and brother alone in a trailer that had no electricity, scrambling to get by while trying to do the right thing in the ring and in high school. You try that and see how many more beatings you want to take if you think you don’t have to.

Long before Victor Ortiz ran into Marcos Maidana he’d been beaten up plenty. Just not yet in a boxing ring. That was always the one safe place for him.

He had been protected by a powerful promoter and managed by experienced men from California and New York who knew how to move a young man into the position he found himself in last Saturday night – into a fight he was really ill-prepared for - without having him really tested.