ortiz, does he show he can comeback?

[Deja_Vous]

this is the real test. can victor ortiz comeback from a tko loss. a real champion can lose and then come back better then ever. can't wait to see what happens in the near future. i saw a whole lotta flaws in ortiz's defence, flaws that were'nt there before, but the look of panic is what set the flaws. i'm hopeing ortiz does not turn out to be another vargas, starting too fast and ending his career even faster, or worse end up like bojado. i still have faith in ortiz, i believe he will be a champion one day. golden boy needs to put a hell of alot more time into this kids training.

Ortiz will never be anything more than a pinata at 140 or 147.

He's easier to hit that the side of a barn.

The guy he lost to was complete trash.

[brently1979]

My only problem is this is the sort of thing Zab Judah would do imo. He had all the talent in the world, but sometimes his heart didn't get him across the line.

But Zab did show some heart in some fights, I think his heart & Chin stopped him from being great.

I remembered when Zab came onto the scene he was dynamic just like Ortiz did.

[Deja_Vous]

Not by the way he was talking to Max Kellerman... I don't think those are the words of someone who believes they are a winner in this sport. Its only going to get harder for him unless he keeps making step-down fights from now on.

140 is loaded with guys better than Maidana.

Ortiz is there to be had by anybody.

[pelonxsoldier28]

How does the comparison begin? They are both Mexican-American from Oxnard, CA?

Vargas could box and would get into wars when the fight turned into a slugfest. But he could box and had a better defense than Ortiz has shown so far.

I think Maidana is tough and all but in no way is he in the same league as Quartay, Wright, Campas,Ruelas,etc.

Ortiz can bounce back one he decides to re-focus.. I have a feeling the BRIGHT LIGHTS got to him, once he knew he was the main attraction and Golden Boy's hottest Prospect.. Vargas thrived in the spotlight

i thought i just explianed it. i said nothing about being from oxnard for the simple fact ortiz is from kansas. i was compairing the two because each were rushed into title fights at such young ages, diffrence is vargas won, but could'nt take the long haul and retired at 29/30. and like i said i'm hopeing ortiz does'nt follow the same path.

[Dan...]

My only problem is this is the sort of thing Zab Judah would do imo. He had all the talent in the world, but sometimes his heart didn't get him across the line.

But Zab did show some heart in some fights, I think his heart & Chin stopped him from being great.

I remembered when Zab came onto the scene he was dynamic just like Ortiz did.

Zab was a 5 round fighter. THat was pretty much his problem.

[pelonxsoldier28]

Ortiz will never be anything more than a pinata at 140 or 147.

He's easier to hit that the side of a barn.

The guy he lost to was complete trash.

wow, you really think so? i'm sure with a better trainer and some time off he can refoc and come back stronger, afterall he is still young in the game.

[Deja_Vous]

wow, you really think so? i'm sure with a better trainer and some time off he can refoc and come back stronger, afterall he is still young in the game.

Can't you tell?

His new trainer better be Jesus because he needs a miracle.


I've seen better fighters on Jerry Springer.

[pelonxsoldier28]

Can't you tell?

His new trainer better be Jesus because he needs a miracle.


I've seen better fighters on Jerry Springer.

not to be rude, but how long have you followed the sweet science? you don't seem to have very much knowledge on the subject. it's more then obvious ortiz has the skill/gift to fight and become a champion. so what gives? ignorance?

[catalinul]

Ortiz will never be anything more than a pinata at 140 or 147.

He's easier to hit that the side of a barn.

The guy he lost to was complete trash.

Maidana?

Nah,he's a good fighter.

[Vasyl’s dad]

I think Victor Ortiz would be better off retiring and spending whatever money he has left on a college education. He appears to be very bright and well spoken.