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Please don't compare Victor Ortiz to legends, that is just rude. He shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as SRR.
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Ortiz quit, you can see him shaking his head and the ref asking him. The ref did Ortiz a favor by calling in the medical person and they stopped the fight. Just look at his post fight interview.Originally posted by pistol whip View PostComment
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Victor Ortiz is exactly like Juan Diaz. Once the going gets tough and they see their own blood, they turn ***** with a quicknessComment
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Referees expend a lot of energy and sweat even when there is no extreme heat. A fully clothed 44 year old who might be in good shape for his age is still no comparison at all to the supposed "GOAT" who quit like a damn dog.But Goldstein was not actually fighting, yet he was still suffering from heat prostration. He was a referee, a former fighter, who was in good shape and not some old man you said he were.
"He went into the fight weighing 159 pounds and came out at 146."
http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...g=6648,1636475
"If he does not restore his fluid loss and enters the ring dehydrated, he may be courting the same disaster that ended the last big money-making light heavyweight championship in New York. It happened three years ago this week, when Sugar Ray Robinson fought Joey Maxim.
Dr. Ira McCown of the State Athletic Commission recalls, "The temperature that day was 94�. The humidity was 90%. That evening was so still and quiet you couldn't even see the flags waving in the breeze—because there was no breeze.
"We had a mass of 45,000 spectators on hand, which increased the heat. At ringside we also had an added factor of about 100 klieg lights overhead. That brought the temperature—it was proven—to 103� at the edge of the ring. Under the lights, we feel undoubtedly, it was nearer 130."
All day long Robinson had taken no fluids. He tried to sleep, but couldn't. He got up about 8 o'clock and Dr. Vincent Nardiello tried to give him something to drink. "I wanted to give him a big glass of lemonade with plenty of sugar. I finally gave him iced tea with plenty of sugar, but he refused to take it. 'Doctor,' he said, 'I've been fighting for 14 years. I never took any fluids before a fight.'
"I said, 'Son, this is a tough night. This is a real hot night. You have got to have fluids.' He didn't take a thing, and that's what licked him. He was absolutely dehydrated."
Robinson set a very fast pace, but he was already well dried out. Moreover, the humidity was so high that whatever more he sweated didn't evaporate to keep him cool.
"The first symptom that we noticed," Dr. McCown remembers, "was about the fourth round—and, mark you, the managers and trainers at ringside said, 'Oh Doc, he's in fine shape. Do you see how he is feinting Maxim for the kill?' Robinson was running around the ropes. I think it was the fifth he went to the wrong corner—well, he went the wrong way, but in the 11th he absolutely went to the wrong corner.
"At the 11th round Dr. Schiff [a ring physician] and I went to his corner. Robinson was very glassy-eyed. His body was wet. He was hot. He didn't know where he was. He was anxious to continue, but he was in no condition. He was absolutely out, physically out.
"When we got him back we had to literally carry him back to his dressing room. I have never seen such a state of cerebral excitation. He didn't know where he was. He was cursing—anybody would do that when he gets in that state. It was a very depressing thing to see."
Robinson was suffering from heat exhaustion. He was dried out to begin with. He became further exhausted because he literally lost three to four quarts of fluid right in the ring, and it wasn't being replaced. Robinson set a very fast pace, but he was already well dried out. Moreover, the humidity was so high that whatever more he sweated didn't evaporate to keep him cool.
http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.c...22/2/index.htm
Inside the ring, under the lights, where the temperature was 104�, both men kept lighting in their respective styles. They sprayed sweat, but neither seemed un-duly weakened. Robinson took the first 11 rounds with ease. In The New York Times next day Arthur Daley reported, "The middleweight king was truly superb. His combination punches rocked Maxim, and raked him to jaw and body. He hooked and he crossed and he jabbed and he delivered uppercuts. In the seventh Maxim was almost on the verge of a knockout and required smelling salts in his corner." In the same paper James P. Dawson wrote, "Fighting out of a crouch, ignoring a weight handicap of pretty close to twenty pounds, Robinson blazed through the rounds, punching Maxim almost at will."
The fight took a surprising turn at the end of the 10th round, but it did not concern either fighter. Ruby Goldstein, the referee, suddenly caved in. His glistening face turned a horrid gray and. at the bell ending the round, he signaled that he could not continue. The heat had become too much for him. Ray Miller took over at the beginning of the 11th.
Then, not quite so suddenly, but plain for the excited crowd to see, the heat began eating into Sugar Rays reserves. The crowd yelled frantically for him to slow down, to coast along to the end and earn one of the easiest victories of his career. But Robinson continued to dance—on legs that were turning to rubber. Maxim took the 12th round, his first so far, and even began to look like the original figment of Freddie Mills' imagination (and mine). In the 13th Robinson's dance turned to a stagger. He lashed Out awkwardly, missed grotesquely and fell flat on his face. Then he pulled himself up and reeled round the ring. Maxim stared at him, flat-footed, nonplussed, possibly suspecting a trick. No wonder. Nothing in Maxim's career had prepared him to deal with this unprecedented opportunity. As the bell rang at the end of the 13th Robinson stumbled to a neutral corner. He had to be helped over to his stool. His head drooped. Massage and smelling sails failed to revive him. and he was unable to come out for the 14th. The doctor later pronounced it a "heat Stroke."
http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.c...88/2/index.htm
Not really anything different than what we discussed already innit mate.
I see lot of quotes taken out of context and a lot of excuses. Robinson put on a great acting job. That didn't conceal the fact that he quit though.
I proved your point?You proved my point pretty well. All these men suffered serious injuries in the ring
You said "Find me ONE fighter who didn't end up dead fighting in such bad condition".
I gave you a crap load of fighters who didn't quit like Salty Gay Robinson even though they were in much more dire conditions. Try to keep up will ya lad.Comment
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Ray Robinson being compared to Ortiz is the ******est thing you could of uttered out your brain....How can one person be that ignorant to compare The greatest boxer that ever lived to a new jack like Ortiz? Ortiz has quit early in his career.....Let him get a 100 or more fights under his belt then make a tread like this...LOL I got to laugh at this dumb ass Thread!!!!Originally posted by pistol whip View PostComment
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The articles I posted proved everything I ever said in this thread.Originally posted by Slimey Limey View PostReferees expend a lot of energy and sweat even when there is no extreme heat. A fully clothed 44 year old who might be in good shape for his age is still no comparison at all to the supposed "GOAT" who quit like a damn dog.
Not really anything different than what we discussed already innit mate.
I see lot of quotes taken out of context and a lot of excuses. Robinson put on a great acting job. That didn't conceal the fact that he quit though.
I proved your point?
You said "Find me ONE fighter who didn't end up dead fighting in such bad condition".
I gave you a crap load of fighters who didn't quit like Salty Gay Robinson even though they were in much more dire conditions. Try to keep up will ya lad.
If you wish to call Robinson a quitter and a dog then that's your right, but it has nothing to do with what actually happened. You have stated your opinion, calling it all an act job. I've brought up the opinions of doctors and ringside viewers who were actually there, as well as examples of other people suffering from heat prostration ringside.
None of those fighters quit, neither did Robinson.Comment
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LOL! TS already stopped posting because he is having a hard time defending his boyComment
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Sugar Ray Robinson was also...Originally posted by pistol whip View Post
-173-19 108 KOS
-Named Fighter Of The Year
-Fighter If The Decade
-6 time Golden glove champ
-Inducted in 2 Boxing Hall of Fames
-6 time world champ
What credintials does ortiz have besides being a quitter?Comment
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Dude straight said he's young and shouldn't have to get beat up like that. Ortiz was clearly rethinking his career path.Comment
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sugar ray robinson is compared to victor ortiz...
now I've seen everythingComment
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