I applaud Victor Ortiz for quitting.

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  • Larry the boss
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    #231
    2 years later hes the wbc 147 chanp

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    • hhs661
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      #232
      Originally posted by BillyBoxing
      I totally disagree with your post...

      The young generation of fighters is soft, I see a lot of quiters, how peterson quited against Rios was DISGUSTING, same for Alexander against Bradley (it burns!!!!), you talk like he was close to death in the Maidana fight, he just was in a tought fight and quited, you don't do that when you are a professional prize fighter, I'm sorry.

      We posters aren't pro fighters, we aren't ready, aren't supposed, aren't paid to do that.

      YOU CAN'T tolerate that in boxing, quiting is not boxing, Ortiz was perfectly able to continue.

      But he only was 22 years old so it's ok, but look, Morales and Kahn were badly hurt by Maidana, they didn't quit, they acted like a warrior is supposed to, this is boxing not tennis.

      Now of course *****s and Ortiz boys agree with your post.
      But the guy in your avi quit in A HUGE fight at the prime age of 29.

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      • Pinoy4ever
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        #233
        then he should quit on Floyd. Cause it's going to be like when Floyd fought Gatti kinda of fight.

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        • Konstantin
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          #234
          Originally posted by hhs661
          But the guy in your avi quit in A HUGE fight at the prime age of 29.
          Irony.....

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          • bojangles1987
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            #235
            You want to applaud him for quitting? Go ahead. I still recognize how horrible that night was for Victor Ortiz's career.

            I hate the "you don't do it so you can't criticize" argument. It's a cheap way of deflecting attention from something an athlete did that deserves to be criticized.

            It is Victor Ortiz's JOB to step in a ring and fight. He gets paid obscene amounts of money to fight. He knew going in that getting punched was part of the sport, just like Maidana knows and every pro fighter knows. If he quits in the middle of a fight he's winning, he deserves to be criticized and made fun of just like he was.
            Last edited by bojangles1987; 06-09-2011, 12:16 PM.

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            • davidoff
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              #236
              Originally posted by bojangles1987
              You want to applaud him for quitting? Go ahead. I still recognize how horrible that night was for Victor Ortiz's career.

              I hate the "you don't do it so you can't criticize" argument. It's a cheap way of deflecting attention from something an athlete did that deserves to be criticized.

              It is Victor Ortiz's JOB to step in a ring and fight. He gets paid obscene amounts of money to fight. He knew going in that getting punched was part of the sport, just like Maidana knows and every pro fighter knows. If he quits in the middle of a fight he's winning, he deserves to be criticized and made fun of just like he was.
              I applaud him for taking the right decision. It was quitting in this case. But the right decision.

              Yes it's his job, hence why he quit so he could preserve his health to be able to train, improve, and continue to do his job better than before.

              If you bothered to watch the fight you'd see he was completely lost in the 5th and 6th.

              He had the choice of continuing until he got violently KO'd (and so losing), or admitting defeat and preserving his health (and losing).

              Just because it's his job to box, it doesn't mean it's his job to have to accept defeat in such a brutal manner to satisfy the blood-lust of extremist fans.

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              • bojangles1987
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                #237
                Originally posted by davidoff
                I applaud him for taking the right decision. It was quitting in this case. But the right decision.

                Yes it's his job, hence why he quit so he could preserve his health to be able to train, improve, and continue to do his job better than before.

                If you bothered to watch the fight you'd see he was completely lost in the 5th and 6th.

                He had the choice of continuing until he got violently KO'd (and so losing), or admitting defeat and preserving his health (and losing).

                Just because it's his job to box, it doesn't mean it's his job to have to accept defeat in such a brutal manner to satisfy the blood-lust of extremist fans.
                Of course someone says I didn't watch the fight. Always the first insult people go to to make themselves feel like they are smarter.

                Again, you want to applaud him? Go ahead. Boxing is not an easy thing to do, and if a fighter quits in that manner, he will be criticized, and rightfully so.

                I can't believe how the Maidana/Ortiz fight has been spun by some as if Ortiz was taking some hellacious beating and needed to quit. He was in trouble, that's all. Thousands of fighters have been in the same situation and persevered. That's why Ortiz deserves the criticism he has gotten.
                Last edited by bojangles1987; 06-09-2011, 12:37 PM.

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                • davidoff
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                  #238
                  Originally posted by bojangles1987
                  Of course someone says I didn't watch the fight. Always the first insult people go to to make themselves feel like they are smarter.

                  Again, you want to applaud him? Go ahead. Boxing is not an easy thing to do, and if a fighter quits in that manner, he will be criticized, and rightfully so.

                  I can't believe how the Maidana/Ortiz fight has been spun by some as if Ortiz was taking some hellacious beating and needed to quit. He was in trouble, that's all. Thousands of fighters have been in the same situation and persevered. That's why Ortiz deserves the criticism he has gotten.
                  He was in trouble? lol what an understatement. And it was a very hard beating. Especially for a young fighter having not gone through it before.

                  You can't just make sweeping comparisons. Well done, thousands of fighters have got knocked down in the past and not beat the count. Doesn't make them subject to criticism just because JMM gets up.

                  You like repeating yourself while conveniently avoiding the point of why should he have risked his health just to long the fight out for a couple more rounds?

                  The fact that he's come back, got a WW title, and a Mayweather fight, suggests to me he knows what he's doing. So I'll trust his judgment on what was right for him to do, rather than 'bojangles1987' on an Internet forum.

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                  • bojangles1987
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                    #239
                    Originally posted by davidoff
                    He was in trouble? lol what an understatement. And it was a very hard beating. Especially for a young fighter having not gone through it before.

                    You can't just make sweeping comparisons. Well done, thousands of fighters have got knocked down in the past and not beat the count. Doesn't make them subject to criticism just because JMM gets up.

                    You like repeating yourself while conveniently avoiding the point of why should he have risked his health just to long the fight out for a couple more rounds?

                    The fact that he's come back, got a WW title, and a Mayweather fight, suggests to me he knows what he's doing. So I'll trust his judgment on what was right for him to do, rather than 'bojangles1987' on an Internet forum.
                    It was a two way firefight. The type that often defines fighters.

                    He doesn't have to risk anything if he doesn't wan to. I never said he made the wrong decision. If that's what he felt was best for his career, all the power to him. Doesn't mean he shouldn't be criticized, especially since the fight set his career back two years. He could have been in the position he's in now a year ago.

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                    • Jeff Da Maori
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                      #240
                      I said it at the time, and my opinion is still the same. Not one of us on here has the right to question his decision as it was his pain to try and deal with, and his decision to make. It's easy to sit here and say "I'd do this and that, or I'd go down swinging because I'm a real warrior, or he gets paid a fortune and knows the risks involved" but the reality is that we don't know how we'd react until it's our a55 being beaten 6 ways from Sunday.

                      Ortiz knew he was going to lose that fight, he was mentally beaten as well as physically. Therefore the smart thing to do was admit defeat before he got badly injured, regroup and come again. That in itself takes guts.

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