I hope Ortiz doesn't give up!

[Sox8055]

Manny Pacquiao was 21 when he refused to get up against Singsurat.

He lost to Torrecampo at age 17.

[BMWM3P]

This is probably the best you're going to see out of Ortiz. He doesn't have the heart to be top fighter, MAIDna had it worst than he did yet he had the heart to pull thru. Ortiz proved to us when the when the going get hard you just quit and pray for another day.

[Don Flamenco]

Too late. Every time he gets hit, quitting will be an option from now on. What's very telling is his corner asking him if he wanted to continue the fight after the 5th round. He won that round but got rocked the very last second. I think he wanted to quit right then and there.

[BOLLOCKS]

If Pacquiao loses to Cotto it does not mean he is over rated, it simply means he lost to a good fighter.

I know this, but he's still overrated imo.

[BOLLOCKS]

He lost to Torrecampo at age 17.

That wasn't Torrecampo.

[Sox8055]

That wasn't Torrecampo.

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