Which of these 3 is Cotto greater than?

[WhoreUs]

Hopkins was awesome at 160. The is the best version of Hopkins. That brutal win over Johnson and that performance over Tito and others. Hopkins later on moved up to 175 and proved himself at a higher weight unlike No Mas Kostya

14 years for what exactly. Judah/Mitchell and losses to Hatton and Phillips.

147 is only 7 pounds upwards, so Kostya could have made weight.

Kostya couldn't carry Cotto's jockstrap

god you're dumb.

[BennyST]

Kostya best wins: Hatton Judah Mitchell Losses: Hatton Phillips
Cotto: Carlos Q Mosley Clottey Torres Judah Malignaggi Loss: Margarito* *Plaster maybe

BTW I am one of Cotto's biggest haters

Oh my god, who is this?

Quintana: Has won one title shot and was knocked out in the first round in his first defense by the same guy he won it off. Yeah, that's real great.
Malignaggi: Also won a title over Lovemore N'Dou, had two defenses and was then knocked out by Hatton.
Clottey won a vacant title over the shot Judah who Tszyu had ruined years before in his prime in two rounds.
Mosley: Genuinely great.
Torres: Was knocked out in seven in his first title shot and was knocked out in the first round after winning the vacant title and defending it twice.

From memory Cotto has twelve champions he has beaten. From memory Tszyu has beaten seventeen champions.

Included are long time champions Gonzalez (P4P ranked champion with eleven title defenses with title shots in lightweight/JWW and WW), JC. Chavez, Mitchell (two time world champ with six defenses), Hurtado (WBA WW champ), Rodriguez (JWW champ 3 defenses who Tszyu got his first title shot against), R. Mayweather (2 division champ and long time 140 champ), 52-3 Rafael Ruelas (lightweight champion 3 defenses)......plus many more like Leija (former champ with wins over Azumah Nelson, Ivan Robinson and Micky Ward, whom he beat to get the shot at Tszyu, otherwise Tszyu would have Ward there instead).

This is ridiculous. People have such short memories that guys like Quintana become greats whereas anyone that Tszyu fought apart from Judah and Hatton are nobodies? How is he possibly better than Hurtado?

This only happens because you, whoever you are, don't actually know anything about anyone listed here because you don't know anything about boxing. You only see guys who you've seen fight today and anyone else that you haven't seen or heard of must not be anything, even though most of them were better than the guys fighting today.

I just don't think anyone saying Cotto really knows who Tszyu beat and for how long he reigned. Oh, but you're only good if you move around in divisions fighting the easiest opponents to get more titles, as Mayweather's 140 title win over the 2004 version of Gatti shows. Do you really think it is that important that he went up and fought some hack at 147 whom he could have beaten without any trouble just for another trinket. His dream was to show he was truly the best by fighting and beating every champion and top contender his division had to offer, instead of jumping around weights choosing the easiest fighters to beat and therefore say you're a three division champ).

Very few fighters in the history of the sport have reigned as long in one division as he did while consistently fighting and beating the best fighters in that division, which at the time was considered the deepest division in the sport.

As Pink also said, and this obviously shows how short some people like Flawless have been following the sport for, Tszyu entered the P4P top ten in the mid nineties and was still in it at the start of 2005 when he finally lost to Hatton at the age of 36.

Why bother?

[WhoreUs]

benny , they think cotto's opposition is so much greater because they know who cotto fought but most of the guys kostya fought they don't know.

10-15 years from people will look upon guys like corley , malignaggi , torres , abdulaev , etc. (all good wins for cotto) the same way these guys see kostya's opponents.

all they need to do is look back at old ring ratings at 140 on boxrec and then look up kostya's resume and they'd realize it.

[Mr. Philadel]

0.....zip.......NONE!!!.......at least not yet!!

[BennyST]

benny , they think cotto's opposition is so much greater because they know who cotto fought but most of the guys kostya fought they don't know.

10-15 years from people will look upon guys like corley , malignaggi , torres , abdulaev , etc. (all good wins for cotto) the same way these guys see kostya's opponents.

all they need to do is look back at old ring ratings at 140 on boxrec and then look up kostya's resume and they'd realize it.

Exactly mate, exactly. I don't understand how Flawless can say a guy that has had three title shots all up, and lost two by knockout is better than all of Tszyu's opponents apart from the only two he knows, being Hatton and Judah.

It's like saying "I don't actually know anyone he fought but because I know who Cotto fought they must all be better, just because I've heard of their names and seen them on TV".

You're right though. The good champions that Tszyu fought, like Jake Rodriguez, aren't really remembered now and that is exactly how it will be with the large majority of people that Cotto fought. After his first title win, he never fought anyone that wasn't ranked up the top for a title shot, and it's become so rare today for someone to do that that it makes Cotto look extra great because he's one of the few to do it. Admittedly, Tszyu was also one of the few to do it then, hence his unification for the first time in thirty years!

[The_Demon]

Kostya best wins: Hatton Judah Mitchell Losses: Hatton Phillips
Cotto: Carlos Q Mosley Clottey Torres Judah Malignaggi Loss: Margarito* *Plaster maybe

BTW I am one of Cotto's biggest haters

u know nothing about boxing do you?

[Aracibo04]

any one can get a lucky shot. they say that about cotto all the time hehe

plus maybe zab had the same problems that plasterito with training prior to the night the fought mosley.

hehehehe

I was joking..... hehe

[Aracibo04]

Why Pacquiao then?

Oh my god, who is this?

Quintana: Has won one title shot and was knocked out in the first round in his first defense by the same guy he won it off. Yeah, that's real great.
Malignaggi: Also won a title over Lovemore N'Dou, had two defenses and was then knocked out by Hatton.
Clottey won a vacant title over the shot Judah who Tszyu had ruined years before in his prime in two rounds.
Mosley: Genuinely great.
Torres: Was knocked out in seven in his first title shot and was knocked out in the first round after winning the vacant title and defending it twice.

From memory Cotto has twelve champions he has beaten. From memory Tszyu has beaten seventeen champions.

Included are long time champions Gonzalez (P4P ranked champion with eleven title defenses with title shots in lightweight/JWW and WW), JC. Chavez, Mitchell (two time world champ with six defenses), Hurtado (WBA WW champ), Rodriguez (JWW champ 3 defenses who Tszyu got his first title shot against), R. Mayweather (2 division champ and long time 140 champ), 52-3 Rafael Ruelas (lightweight champion 3 defenses)......plus many more like Leija (former champ with wins over Azumah Nelson, Ivan Robinson and Micky Ward, whom he beat to get the shot at Tszyu, otherwise Tszyu would have Ward there instead).

This is ridiculous. People have such short memories that guys like Quintana become greats whereas anyone that Tszyu fought apart from Judah and Hatton are nobodies? How is he possibly better than Hurtado?

This only happens because you, whoever you are, don't actually know anything about anyone listed here because you don't know anything about boxing. You only see guys who you've seen fight today and anyone else that you haven't seen or heard of must not be anything, even though most of them were better than the guys fighting today.

I just don't think anyone saying Cotto really knows who Tszyu beat and for how long he reigned. Oh, but you're only good if you move around in divisions fighting the easiest opponents to get more titles, as Mayweather's 140 title win over the 2004 version of Gatti shows. Do you really think it is that important that he went up and fought some hack at 147 whom he could have beaten without any trouble just for another trinket. His dream was to show he was truly the best by fighting and beating every champion and top contender his division had to offer, instead of jumping around weights choosing the easiest fighters to beat and therefore say you're a three division champ).

Very few fighters in the history of the sport have reigned as long in one division as he did while consistently fighting and beating the best fighters in that division, which at the time was considered the deepest division in the sport.

As Pink also said, and this obviously shows how short some people like Flawless have been following the sport for, Tszyu entered the P4P top ten in the mid nineties and was still in it at the start of 2005 when he finally lost to Hatton at the age of 36.

Why bother?

Man you know your boxer really good...

so let me ask you, based on Tszyu accomplishments it seems to me that he is head and shoulders above Pacman and Mayweather. What do you think? I think both Pac and May have won ring mags belt but what other comparable accomplisment have they had. It seems now days boxers want the mega money fights and don't care so much about unifiying.

[BattlingNelson]

Oh my god, who is this?

Quintana: Has won one title shot and was knocked out in the first round in his first defense by the same guy he won it off. Yeah, that's real great.
Malignaggi: Also won a title over Lovemore N'Dou, had two defenses and was then knocked out by Hatton.
Clottey won a vacant title over the shot Judah who Tszyu had ruined years before in his prime in two rounds.
Mosley: Genuinely great.
Torres: Was knocked out in seven in his first title shot and was knocked out in the first round after winning the vacant title and defending it twice.

From memory Cotto has twelve champions he has beaten. From memory Tszyu has beaten seventeen champions.

Included are long time champions Gonzalez (P4P ranked champion with eleven title defenses with title shots in lightweight/JWW and WW), JC. Chavez, Mitchell (two time world champ with six defenses), Hurtado (WBA WW champ), Rodriguez (JWW champ 3 defenses who Tszyu got his first title shot against), R. Mayweather (2 division champ and long time 140 champ), 52-3 Rafael Ruelas (lightweight champion 3 defenses)......plus many more like Leija (former champ with wins over Azumah Nelson, Ivan Robinson and Micky Ward, whom he beat to get the shot at Tszyu, otherwise Tszyu would have Ward there instead).

This is ridiculous. People have such short memories that guys like Quintana become greats whereas anyone that Tszyu fought apart from Judah and Hatton are nobodies? How is he possibly better than Hurtado?

This only happens because you, whoever you are, don't actually know anything about anyone listed here because you don't know anything about boxing. You only see guys who you've seen fight today and anyone else that you haven't seen or heard of must not be anything, even though most of them were better than the guys fighting today.

I just don't think anyone saying Cotto really knows who Tszyu beat and for how long he reigned. Oh, but you're only good if you move around in divisions fighting the easiest opponents to get more titles, as Mayweather's 140 title win over the 2004 version of Gatti shows. Do you really think it is that important that he went up and fought some hack at 147 whom he could have beaten without any trouble just for another trinket. His dream was to show he was truly the best by fighting and beating every champion and top contender his division had to offer, instead of jumping around weights choosing the easiest fighters to beat and therefore say you're a three division champ).

Very few fighters in the history of the sport have reigned as long in one division as he did while consistently fighting and beating the best fighters in that division, which at the time was considered the deepest division in the sport.

As Pink also said, and this obviously shows how short some people like Flawless have been following the sport for, Tszyu entered the P4P top ten in the mid nineties and was still in it at the start of 2005 when he finally lost to Hatton at the age of 36.

Why bother?

What a post! If I could give you karma I would for sure.

I wish Flawless would read it with an open mind and learning intentions, because this post is a gem and would more than quadrouble his current boxing knowledge.

[BattlingNelson]

people forget kostya fought juan laporte in his 4th pro fight.

laporte might have been past it and certainly not a natural 140 guy but as someone's 4th pro fight?

that's a skilled , tough vet for someone just starting out.

Yeah, but Tszyu had an outstanding AM background. I saw him multiple times as an AM-fighter and he was one of the best from the sovjet boxingschool so he was in a way seasoned boxer when he made his professional debut.

It is rare still that a boxer starts his pro career as tough as Tszyu did. I can think of a few though in DLH , Leon Spinks and perhaps Sven Ottke , who defeated Brewer in his fight no. 13