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So to be the best you have to beat the number 3 guy and get a free pass to duck the number 2 guy who happens to have a title, also had the ring title and never lost it! Being The champ means youve proved to be the best by beating the best. Wlad isnt doing that so will never be undisputed champ or lineal.
Vitali still has the stronger lineage as champion.
Vitali actuallty fought the last champ, in Lewis`s last fight. The same people that call Wlad lineal say that Vitali beat Lewis! Therefore Vitali would be the legit lineal! Wlads never fought the champ, win or lose!
But apart from that, Vitali fought for Lewis`s vacant title against Sanders [who was WBO champ]. Sanders had beaten Wladimir in his last fight and Vitali then beat Sanders. Vitali holds the lineage of victory over Wladimir through Wlads unavenged loss to Sanders. Vitali won Lewis`s retired belt and in reality the WBO belt since Sanders was only stripped of it for fighting for the WBC belt!
Vitali gained the Ring belt also which he never lost and the same people that are calling Wlad lineal for holding it called Vitali lineal. He retired without losing his championship so surely retains the linealality. When he returned from retirement he beat the holder of his WBC belt to clear up any claim to that status.
Wlad gained his IBF belt from Byrd! Byrds claim to that belt was beating an undeserving 42 year old Holyfield for a VACANT paper title at the time that Lewis was THE CHAMPION, that belt did not make Byrd champion. Lewis was. Wlad also gained the paper and VACANT IBO title in this fight! All Wlads belts were Vacant titles with no lineage behind them greater than Vitali`s.
The WBO belt Wlad holds was won off Ibragimov in the worst fight in history, Ibragimov won the belt from a line that goes back to a VACANT championship fight for it which Wlad lost to Brewster after it was stripped from the holder, Sanders who ko`d Wlad for the WBO belt and then lost that lineage to Vitali.
THERFORE WE CAN CONCLUDE THAT THE LINEAGE OF CHAMPIONSHIPS RUN STRONGER THROUGH TO VITALI KLITSCHKO.
To summerise, Vitali holds this over Wlad,
Lewis`s retired title, WBC.
He never lost the Ring title.
Lineage of victory over Wlad.
Lineage of WBO title.
Emiritus status.
Who really thinks Wlad would beat Vitali?
Once Vitali beats Valuev, he and Wlad will soon retire, leaving all the titles vacant once more, thats why we need someone to beat the Klits!Comment
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I dont know what to say....words like "boring, pathetic, soft, coward" are running through my head but i cant bring myself to construct a comment. Its not going to change anything in that crappy division, its just frustrating thinking about it now and its all been said before.
R.I.P. Heavyweight Division! We will miss you!Comment
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None of these guys will beat the K bros.Comment
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Here is a name they left off the list.
James Toney: Almost three years ago Toney was robbed against Sam Peter. Toney was thoroughly outworked in the rematch, which should have never happened, because he should have been fighting Maskaev for the WBC title. Since then, Toney beat Danny Batchhelder, where both men tested possitive for steroids, therefor counting as a win for Toney. Toney was on his way to stopping Hasim Rahman, who quit on his stool. The bout was rediculously ruled a no contest. And less than three months later, Rahman faces Wladamir Klitschko for the title??? Since then Toney defeated Fres Oquendo by split decision in a fight where Toney may not have looked great, but I feel won by a wider margin than most. Next up, a possible meeting with former champ Sergei Liakovich.Comment
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Ya know, i really don't understand the hate Klitschko gets...sure, he's not the most exciting fighter but the guy definitely has skill. I mean i won't lie I've seen fights from him where i've fallen asleep but a lot of time too i can't help but be awed at the guy.Comment
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I have answered to it in one of the previous topics!
To cut the long story short:
IMO Wlad is a better boxer than Vitali. He has a better record, resume, opposition achievements.
Advantages:
Vitali`s: height (second tallest chmpion ever), solid chin (never went down (only once in a kick-boxing match))
Wladimir`s: power, hand speed, foot speed, defense (Vitali looks more flexible, but anyway gets hit more), stamina (in his most recent fights Wlad looks good in the late rounds), ring generalship...
Of course that is only an opinion, but i think that, in 7 out of 10 fights prime Wlad defeats Vitali...Comment
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