What Cotto has over JMM.

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  • street bully
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    #11
    Originally posted by Dominicano Soy!
    I haven't seen good hand speed from JMM since he faught at 126. Everything with him has been perfect timing and great countering. I still say Cotto has the better hand speed, I'm not gonna judge Cotto on Clottey. While I had Clottey winning that, Cotto didn't look like Cotto. I'm going with the Cotto I saw against Margarito, Zab, Quintana and Shane. I believe that is the Cotto we might see against Pacquiao. Again, I'm still picking Pacquiao to win.
    JMM has faster hands there is no question at all. Juan Diaz had the fastest hands at 135, and punches in bunches, and JMM would outspeed him whenever he would throw combos. Pacquiao is also the fastest fighter in the sport, and while JMM would use timing from time to time he would plant his feet and throw 8 punch combinations and match Pacquiao for speed. He is faster than Cotto.

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      #12
      Originally posted by 2501
      ummmm, would you care to elaborate?
      People underate Cotto's boxing ability because he likes to brawl and because he is Puerto Rican. When in reality he is one of the best ring technicians in boxing today and has by far more power than Marquez.

      If Cotto wanted to be outbox someone no matter who it was he could. His skills overall are better than Marquez.

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        #13
        Originally posted by 2501
        JMM at SFW and even LW has faster hands than Cotto.

        As far as the footmovement, to be able to land combinations as effectively as he does, you need excellent foot movement and positioning.

        We have to remember that Cotto's foot movement may seem better because he's usually the agressor who has to cut off the ring. JMM has never really needed to cut off the ring against the best op like Pacquiao and Diaz. Even Casamayor was being agressive.
        I never seen much movement from JMM, he is a rare type of counter puncher. Just stands his ground and counter punches, sometimes he'll just go in (MAB, 2nd fight against Pacquiao) but rarely does he do that. Cotto has a pretty good defense and doesn't get hit as much as Marquez does while being the aggressor, ofcourse with the uppercut being his weakness.

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          #14
          Originally posted by Jabrony 2
          People underate Cotto's boxing ability because he likes to brawl and because he is Puerto Rican. When in reality he is one of the best ring technicians in boxing today and has by far more power than Marquez.

          If Cotto wanted to be outbox someone no matter who it was he could. His skills overall are better than Marquez.
          That's why he got knocked out by Margarito, almost lost to Mosley, and had a controversial split decision with Clottey, which many of us think he didn't deserve?

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            #15
            Originally posted by street bully
            JMM has faster hands there is no question at all. Juan Diaz had the fastest hands at 135, and punches in bunches, and JMM would outspeed him whenever he would throw combos. Pacquiao is also the fastest fighter in the sport, and while JMM would use timing from time to time he would plant his feet and throw 8 punch combinations and match Pacquiao for speed. He is faster than Cotto.
            Well I strongly disagree. I haven't seen this hand speed you talk about, since Marquez moved up from 126. While, Cotto looked really fast against SSM and Margarito.

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              #16
              Originally posted by Dominicano Soy!
              Well I strongly disagree. I haven't seen this hand speed you talk about, since Marquez moved up from 126. While, Cotto looked really fast against SSM and Margarito.
              Who doesn't look fast against Margarito?

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                #17
                Originally posted by street bully
                He is better because he got knocked out by Margarito, while JMM knocked out a better fighter in Diaz, duh!
                Reason why I'm picking Pacquiao is because Cotto's stamina isn't too good. He slows down in the late rounds, he did it against Shane, Margarito and even Clottey. Pacquiao doesn't aply that kind of pressure but with his speed, he might make Cotto work alot more.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by street bully
                  That's why he got knocked out by Margarito, almost lost to Mosley, and had a controversial split decision with Clottey, which many of us think he didn't deserve?
                  Frst of all Cotto beat Mosley by a clear UD. Second of all who is many of us? Because the poeple that matter and most boxing experts gave the fight Cotto so he did deserve it so don't play those games.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Dominicano Soy!
                    Foot Movement and hand speed, I would say a WW Cotto has faster hand speed then a SFW JMM. Cotto is the harder puncher ofcourse, as for heart...these 2 can take it just as well as anybody. What JMM has over Pacquiao is slightly better timing, better counter puncher, better stamina. All I'm saying is, because Cotto isn't as good of a boxer as JMM doesn't mean he can't win. That said, I'm still picking Pacquiao to win. Oh yes and Cotto does have a better jab.
                    Marquez' hand speed is better than Cotto's, in single shots and combos. Cotto-Clottey told me that Cotto's timing, counter punching is not on Jmm's level. Marquez' stamina is also way better than Cotto, Marquez averaged 80+ punches for 8 rounds against Diaz and didn't come close to gassing, Cotto averaged around 60 punches against Margarito and was done.

                    And probably the most important part is that Marquez' technique and adaptability is better than Cotto's. Cotto can pressure fight and box and move (even though he hasn't been that good at it since the Mosley fight), but Marquez can actually limit a fighter that wants to throw a lot of punches to his output. Cotto can't do that.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by street bully
                      He is better because he got knocked out by Margarito, while JMM knocked out a better fighter in Diaz, duh!
                      Diaz is not better then Margo! Diaz is overrated all he knows how to do is bury his head and throw a thousand punches. He **** for power and has no where near the chin that Margo has. JMM beating Diaz does not mean he is better then Cotto if the two ever meet at a chatch weight of 145 like whatr Pac is attempting to do it will be lights out for Marquez. Sorry I like JMM a lot and have a ton of respect for his resume but he can not beat Cotto if they fought. I'm not saying he isn't a better fighter. Just saying he could not beat Cotto at any catchweight. Cotto is just to big for JMM I don't care what there ht and reach is. When you have been fighting guys 160 for a long time as oppose to someone fighting people around 125-130 then believe me it makes a difference. Your body becomes accustomed to being held, leaned on, pushed and punched by bigger guys. Someone like JMM will not be able to stand toe to toe with Cotto. At the same point neither will Pac. Pac will have to utilize alot of the ring and use alot of angles to trouble Miguel. No way in this life will Pac or JMM rock Cotto let alone Knock him out. People are putting to much into Pacs last two fights against two shell shocked fighters. Cotto is far from shell shocked as mentioned by Freddie Roach. Come November 14th many people will be shocked at what will happen to Pac. You mention this fight two years ago and many would have laughed at the possibility of matching Pac versus someone of Cotto's size. Since then Pac has beaten two shell shocked fighters and now he is unbeatable. The same was said about Margo's chin and we all know what happened there. By the way it's amazing how many people are saying the Margo fight has made Cotto a shot fighter when he has won two fights since his return and Margo lost in a horrible fashion. I wonder who felt the worst affects of that fight Cotto 2-0 and Margo 0-1 since there war. HMMM???

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