Will Wladimir Klitschko break Joe Lous' 25 title defenses record?

[TheGreatA]

Wladimir won his title from a sub-cruiser so his whole title reign shouldn't count.

Wladimir can at best be recognized as the overweight cruiserweight champion of the world.

[knn]

This is a disgraceful post. One of the worst I have ever read.

I didn't state any wrong facts, did I?

Let me repeat: 1 more win and Louis' heavyweight title streak IS BROKEN. Get over it.

[knn]

Wladimir won his title from a sub-cruiser so his whole title reign shouldn't count.

Now if you delete FORMER cruisers and sub-cruiser off the record then Louis has won titles only against 2 fighters (Baer and Simon).

[TheGreatA]

Now if you delete FORMER cruisers and sub-cruiser off the record then Louis has won titles only against 2 fighters (Baer and Simon).

Byrd stated that he was well under 200 lbs when he fought Wladimir. Are you calling Chris Byrd a liar?

If you delete former cruisers then Wladimir's wins against Ibragimov and Chagaev don't count either.

What is left are wins over half-blind Lamon Brewster, half-blind Calvin Brock, Samuel "I was humiliated by an overweight cruiser Eddie Chambers" Peter, Ray "nearly KO'd by Zuri Lawrence" Austin, old men like Ray Mercer, Francois Botha and bums such as Derrick Jefferson and Charles Sufford.

[T.Horton]

If your opponent is 200+ then it's a HW fight.
If your opponent is sub-200 then it's a cruiser fight.

In rare cases a fighter has signed to fight as HW but weighs slightly below 200. Then the HW fight is allowed to go ahead as HW fight.

The other way around, too: Sometimes a cruiser weighs slightly above 200. Then they nevertheless sanction it as cruiser fight to not cancel a scheduled fight.

Moreover what has your reply to do with my post?

you have no idea what you are talking about. i wish i could ban you.

[LEFTYGUNZZ]

Pure hater's post.

Wlad _IS_ already ATG by being the Ring Champion.

When it comes to wins in world title heavyweight fights (200+ lbs) then Wlad is only surpassed by Holmes, Ali and Lennox. Joe Louis' title defenses were mostly against cruisers = play in a different league.

And stop complaining about the state of the heavyweight division. It's better than at the time of Louis, BECAUSE AT THE TIME OF LOUIS THERE WAS ONLY A CRUISERWEIGHT DIVISION: This picture summarizes the state of the heavyweights during Louis' times pretty well:

They were CRUISERS. Louis title defenses were against a median 196lbs opponent.

The same applies to the division in Ali's times (Ali was fighting for the Olympic Gold Medal in the SUB-CRUISERS division < 178lbs).

If you want to return to the overhyped 70ies heavyweights division where a guy with Parkinson (Ali) fights a 6-0 guy (Spinks) for the world heavyweight title (WBA & WBC belts, 1978) THEN TELL US RIGHT NOW.

Unfortunately sigs can only be 500 characters long, otherwise I would have added Spinks (26-17) and other bums (like Jimmy Young 34-19) to Ali's "greatest hits".

Wins in world title fights against 200+ opponents
Holmes: 21 (15 KOs) against a median opponent of 39-11
Ali: 19 (9 KOs within 12 rounds) against a median opponent of 45-13
Lennox: 15 (10 KOs)
Wlad: 14 (12 KOs) against a median opponent of 32-4 (= better than Ali)
Tyson 12 (10 KOs)
Louis: 10 (7 KOs) against a median opponent of 56-16
Holyfield: 10 (4 KOs)
Foreman: 4 (3 KOs)

Actually Ali's opponents are even worse since I mercifully included their complete records (= including wins against cruisers and subcruisers). In other words: Already now Wlad fights better opposition than Ali (with George Foreman and maybe Lyle being the only exception). Ali's greatest achievement is that he managed to to not rematch Foreman. Lennox was fighting the best opposition.

You are purely a simple minded fool. There was no limit to weigh in at during Luis' time. he foguth men who out weighed him by almost 50lbs at times. his bout with Abe Simon in 1941 was scheduled for 20 rounds....Yes I said it 20 rounds so was his bout with Abe Simon in 1939. You are talking about two different era's/ The fighters back then came in to their fights in shape and prepared to go at least 15 rounds. They fought every month because they needed a pay check. Joe Louis fought 7 times in 1941 for a total of 48 rounds.

You should go bury your head in the sand because your logic is warped son!.....Lefty

[knn]

i wish i could ban you.

For what? Stating facts?

[knn]

You are purely a simple minded fool. There was no limit to weigh in at during Luis' time.

So what? 180 is 180. Now and then.

he foguth men who out weighed him by almost 50lbs at times.

He fought 4 times against opponents who were 44-64 lbs heavier than him. Louis KOed all of them. Shows what a class act he was. Wlad would walk through him.

If your point is that Louis' record and Wlad's record are uncomparable then I accept that. BUT THAT'S OFFTOPIC because the thread topic is "Will Wlad break Louis' record?" thus the premise is already that they ARE comparable.

The fighters back then came in to their fights in shape and prepared to go at least 15 rounds. They fought every month because they needed a pay check. Joe Louis fought 7 times in 1941 for a total of 48 rounds.

He fought 55 rounds not 48 as far as I see it. BUT THEN IN THE FOLLOWING NINE YEARS he fought only 9 times.

Let's compare this to Wlad: Wlad fought 7x in 1999, 9x in 1998 and 13x in 1997. And now?

But you make another mistake: IT'S NOT A VIRTUE TO FIGHT SO MANY ROUNDS. If he needed not 55 rounds but 555 rounds to KO his opponents then this makes Louis A WORSE fighter not a better one.

You should go bury your head in the sand because your logic is warped son!

Stop shouting, daddy. And if I allow you to call me "son" will you allow me to call you "grandma"?

[Stoppage]

For some reason I don't think he'll succeed.

[hardmanbrit]

Louis is the greatest.

Klitschko won't succeed in breaking the Brown Bomber's incredible record.