Will Wladimir Klitschko break Joe Lous' 25 title defenses record?

[knn]

At the time he fought Frazier he was 21-6, with 15 consecutive wins, which is what matters.

Records at bout don't matter much. Otherwise Vitali Klitschko in his first bout would be 0-0 which would make him a bum.

Moreover the "15 consecutive wins" were against 13 bums plus Eddie Machen (50-11, 190 lbs) plus featherfist Ernie Terrell. THAT's IT. Manos is considered "worthy" shows again the overhype of the Golden Age.

Not how his record ended up years later because with the same logic you could discredit the wins of many great fighters.

Like whom? What "great" fighters have a 25-29 record? Enlighten me, please.

I guess he could but then again he could also get caught with one big punch like he was against Ike Ibeabuchi.

Ike Ibeabuchi is a mystery. I wouldn't draw any conclusions from fights with Ibeabuchi. Neither for or against fighters.

The Foreman of 1973 was a whole different beast than the Foreman Jimmy Young fought who had his mind set on everything but boxing

Foreman said "It was years before I got my health back together after that fight" (the poisoning before the Ali fight). Jimmy Young was just 2+ years after George has been probably poisoned, so there is some explanation.

Still, I don't see how Byrd supposedly beating Foreman proves that he has a punch.

Byrd doesn't have a punch. That's why I call him a featherfist. I don't see him KO Foreman, but then again 70ies Foreman was very limited and 213lbs bum Young could do it, so Byrd could have done it, too.

That's what my original point was, that he couldn't knock out some of the men Frazier did, thus he is not as big a puncher.

Of the 10 KOs that Frazier scored against his 200+ opponents 6 were against bums (like Ron Stander 37-21 or the aforementioned Ramos 25-29) and the remaning 4 were against median 209lbs opponents, who also don't have stellar records (e.g. 2x Jimmy Ellis 40-12 who boxed as low as 155 in his career). I don't see any proof for Frazier being a harder puncher than Chris Byrd. Maybe he was, but it's not in his record.

No it's not. It was a solid win for an up and comer and nothing more. Ali had more than enough big wins on his resume that the Moore win doesn't have to be glorified. It's probably not even a top 10 win on his resume.

Of course it's not a top 10 win. Beating a 47 year old former welterweight cannot be a top 10 win. But the way you phrase it "It's probably not even a top 10 win" still shows that Ali gets respect for this win by Ali fans.

[Shattered Jaw]

That sig is a disgrace.

Just ignore this guy's ****. Let it die.

[hardmanbrit]

I don't think anyone will ever break Louis' record

It is not surpassable.

[cooper's left]

Not a chance.

And I bet if you put the 'Brown Bomber' in the ring with EITHER of the Klitschko brothers today, he would win with ease.

[Jone2ts]

You are referring to Tony Galento as one of the fights with the 20 losses I believe. Tony was the Italian American Ricardo Mayorga of his time. He used to call Joe Louis' house to tell him that he was a bum and that he was going to knock him out. It was a fight that people wanted to see at that time as Galento was a very coloroful fighter during those days and a fan favorite. The other fighter was Jack Roper, who was somewhat of a known actor in Hollywood. That fight would go on to attract nearly 25,000 fans at Wrigley field. In any case, boxing is different from those days, if some of the bums that Wlad fought recently were fighting in those days they would have 20 or 30 losses too.

Can you even believe that someone would even consider trying to degrade Joe Louis for the sake of a BUM like Wlad or his **** brother? Those fighters had those losses but they also fought way more and fought in an era were boxing was king and they had many circuits to fight in and each circuit had fans and story lines for the fight which made the public more interested in the fights and thus the public demanded match up they liked. discrediting Louis for a BUM like Wlad or his **** brother is an outrage. Joe Louis was a hero those ****in guys aren't even real champions in the general publics eyes.

[Klitschko2011]

The Klitschko brothers era is much stronger than the weak Louis "bum of the month" era.

Prime 4 Prime...Louis is too small and chinny, he gets destroyed by either Klitschko.

[MissDeeCole]

hopefully...

[Allucard]

People are disregarding one BIG factor when comparing resumes... Record padding. Today it is possible to built good record fighters to fill the resumes of the likes of ANY current boxer, but it's more flagrant in Europe for some reason. You can theoretically fight a 25-0 undefeated fighter who can't throw a punch straight, has no defense and no power, in other words, completely sucks. Good example of this and the first one who crossed my mind: Prescott. He was never supposed to defeat Khan and he would make Khan look good especially since people can't be bothered to investigate resumes with depth. Curiously one of the most hated and disrespected fighters here on bscene, Floyd Mayweather has done little to NONE of it. An utmost loved one (even i like him too), Hatton has done ALLOT of this. Wlad and the others do it too. It's kinda of cheating. The likes of Louis and Ali NEVER HAD THIS KIND OF CONTROL. They were treated and looked upon much as Floyd Mayweather is today: "****y n*g*er must go down" didn't really matter whether they were ****y or not (Louis certainly wasn't but still ended up a circus clown, died in poverty with no dignity), they would NEVER be allowed to have any control on they opponents in the sense that if there were a buzz about some lumberjacker who could "shut the n*g*er up", the lumberjacker was their next opponent. So it's really unfair for them to be compared to any modern HW.

[knn]

Not a chance.

And I bet if you put the 'Brown Bomber' in the ring with EITHER of the Klitschko brothers today, he would win with ease.

Nonsense. See:
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...18#post5449918

[cooper's left]

Nonsense. See:
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...18#post5449918

No disrespect, but Louis was so much more powerful than a lot of these white world champions today.