Will Wladimir Klitschko break Joe Lous' 25 title defenses record?

[The Gambler1981]

I doubt he will stick around that long, he is already very rich (and highly educated) he should realize that time is not something any man can defeat. I doubt he will really want to risk his health long enough to accomplish this task (considering how many times fighters fight per year).

No chance he does this based on this alone, not to mention this is boxing so some unheralded guy could put an end to all the best laid plans.

[Slimey Limey]

Wether he does or not, what bumbeater Joe Louis did is not impressive at all. In fact he had some better wins before being a champion that fought nothing but bums mostly.

Wlad has beat more than just a few good opponents already since he became champ. He might crack the top 10 ATG HW's soon if he keeps up his consistency.

[Benny Leonard]

Wether he does or not, what bumbeater Joe Louis did is not impressive at all. In fact he had some better wins before being a champion that fought nothing but bums mostly.

Wlad has beat more than just a few good opponents already since he became champ. He might crack the top 10 ATG HW's soon if he keeps up his consistency.

You should be careful because you are knocking down Marciano unless that is your intention.

Remember, A Past Prime Louis knocked out Walcott prior to Marciano got to him.

[knn]

As Chambers stated, putting on extra weight to a frame that doesn't carry it well doesn't make you stronger, it just makes you slower.

Having extra fat doesn't make you faster. But it protects you.

He was underrated because he didn't make the most of his abilities. Thanks to dropping all the useless excess weight, he is finally the best he can be even though to you he is a cruiser.

So far he had his most wins with more fat. Let's see how he performs with less fat.

Ron Lyle 6'2, 220 lbs
Joe Bugner 6'4, 230 lbs
Ken Norton 6'3, 220 lbs

Look, I don't want to argue with you about these fighters because Bugner, Lyle, Norton and Foreman were the best that the 70ies had to offer. They were class acts indeed.

Boxing back then had more competitors. Today there are roughly 1000 professional boxers out there in the heavyweight division.

More competitors doesn't mean better boxers. Actually the more competitors you have the worse the division, because in a weak division even the greatest tomato cans show up on stage.

Even some of the lighter divisions today have more boxers in them than in the heavyweight division. Back in the 70's the heavyweight championship was the most prestigious title in boxing.

As it is today. Except in USA.

Today, the big money is made by welterweights like Floyd Mayweather, Manny Pacquiao, Ricky Hatton and Oscar De La Hoya whom everyone want to fight.

Do you have any data how much money Hatton makes?

ODLH is a phenomenon because he is handsome. He would be great no matter how great the heavyweight division is.

I said he never knocked out any ranked opponent aside from Vitali which was an injury-related TKO

Oh, OK.

thus he didn't show punching power against world class opponents. Frazier scored 10 KO's over ranked opponents.

This is wrong. You compare Frazier's cruiser wins with Byrd's heavyweight wins (200+).

Frazier KOed 3x 200+ ring-ranked boxers: Chuvalo, Ellis, Ramos.
Ramos is a 25-29 bum. I fail to see any connection with Byrd's opponents. That a 25-29 bum was ranked shows you how crappy the 70ies were.

Ellis was 200 and 201 when he fought against Frazier. He was a cruiser and sub-cruiser nearly his entire career and 207 was his highest weight. Don't compare such opponents with the opponents of Chris Byrd.

The KO over George "Stiff Pole" Chuvalo is a good win. But hardly any proof that Chris Byrd is worse.

Shows he was a small guy who ate his way to the heavyweight division. Weighed under 200 lbs when he fought Wladimir, thus the win should be discounted from Wladimir's resume (by your logic).

He weighed 213. I take only the official weights. No revisionism please. When I state that Foreman was drugged then I nevertheless leave the win against Foreman in Ali's record. I don't practice revisionism.

Remember when you said Ali fought a welterweight Archie Moore? Moore was a kid when he fought at welter, not even 20 years of age like Byrd was when he fought at light welter.

And Archie was 191lbs and 47 years old when Ali beat him. I cannot imagine the uproar if Wlad would beat a 47-year-old former welter. Just shows you again how crappy the golden age was and how many of Ali's opponents would be a proof of "nowadays division suckery".

[TheGreatA]

Having extra fat doesn't make you faster. But it protects you.

It depends if you are simply out of shape or whether you have muscle underneath.

Ali was not thin but he wasn't exactly "fat" either. He took a body punch better than anybody.

So far he had his most wins with more fat. Let's see how he performs with less fat.

I think most would agree that his win over Dimitrenko was by far his best performance so far, against his best opponent (aside from Povetkin whom he lost to at 220 lbs).

More competitors doesn't mean better boxers. Actually the more competitors you have the worse the division, because in a weak division even the greatest tomato cans show up on stage.

Look at the depth in today's heavyweight division though.

You have two of the best heavyweights in the world Wladimir and Vitali Klitschko. These two could compete in any era.

Povetkin, Chambers, Chagaev, solid fighters who probably won't beat the best.

Valuev is terrible. Arreola seems to lack dedication. Haye hasn't really proven himself. Ruiz is washed up.

There are a couple of good prospects coming up, Denis Boytsov being one of them.

When you get outside the top 10 though, the level of competition becomes rather terrible. Old men like Maskaev, Holyfield, Toney, Rahman, Barrett and some very limited journeymen.

As it is today. Except in USA.

I would say that the so-called pound for pound title is the most prestigious in today's boxing. Look at the money Pacquiao and Mayweather make, and the numbers their PPV's generate.

Do you have any data how much money Hatton makes?

I believe he made more than 10 million £ against Mayweather

ODLH is a phenomenon because he is handsome. He would be great no matter how great the heavyweight division is.

Ray Robinson was handsome and probably the greatest boxer who ever lived and he would have made more money fighting Floyd Patterson than in any other fight he had in his career.

DLH was lucky to come in an era of TV coverage and a lack of interest in the heavyweight division, post-Tyson.

This is wrong. You compare Frazier's cruiser wins with Byrd's heavyweight wins (200+).

Frazier KOed 3x 200+ ring-ranked boxers: Chuvalo, Ellis, Ramos.
Ramos is a 25-29 bum. I fail to see any connection with Byrd's opponents. That a 25-29 bum was ranked shows you how crappy the 70ies were.

Ellis was 200 and 201 when he fought against Frazier. He was a cruiser and sub-cruiser nearly his entire career and 207 was his highest weight. Don't compare such opponents with the opponents of Chris Byrd.

The KO over George "Stiff Pole" Chuvalo is a good win. But hardly any proof that Chris Byrd is worse.

It's not like Byrd has any wins over ranked cruiserweights either.

Buster Mathis was a ranked, 6'3, 243 lb opponent whom Frazier knocked out. The fight was for the NYSAC version of the heavyweight title, as good as any alphabet title today. You've said that in the 70's there was only one champion but Frazier had to go through several title claimants until becoming recognized as the undisputed champion.

Manuel Ramos was 21-6, undefeated in his last 15 fights when he fought Frazier and became a journeyman later on because the beating Frazier gave to him ruined him as a fighter.

I doubt Byrd would knock out Chuvalo. Byrd's best knockout win was probably over John Sargent, a 280 lb overweight alcoholic whose best weight was 205 lbs.

He weighed 213. I take only the official weights. No revisionism please. When I state that Foreman was drugged then I nevertheless leave the win against Foreman in Ali's record. I don't practice revisionism.

It all came from Byrd's own mouth.

And Archie was 191lbs and 47 years old when Ali beat him. I cannot imagine the uproar if Wlad would beat a 47-year-old former welter. Just shows you again how crappy the golden age was and how many of Ali's opponents would be a proof of "nowadays division suckery".

Ali beat Archie Moore as an up and coming prospect. Look at some of the men Wladimir fought as an up and comer, for example Everett "Bigfoot" Martin a former, grossly overweight super middleweight who was 20-29. This was Wladimir's 27th fight, Moore was Ali's 16th.

There were also Tony LaRosa, a light heavyweight, Donnell Wingfield, another light heavyweight and Jerry Halstead, a middleweight.

No one criticizes him for these fights because they were very early in his career, like Ali's fight against Moore who would wipe the floor with any of the fighters I listed even if he was 60 years old.

[Slimey Limey]

You should be careful because you are knocking down Marciano unless that is your intention.

Remember, A Past Prime Louis knocked out Walcott prior to Marciano got to him.

Look who we have here again. Bumbeater's number one nuthugger.

This **** goes out of his way to insult and discredit Marciano any time people speak the truth about Louis. He even goes as far as to take shots at Marciano's fatal plane accident.

[STILL_DETOX]

possibly .

[crold1]

Of these 26 world title wins 16 were against cruisers (like Davis 190 lbs, 5-21) or even sub-cruisers (Conn, 174 lbs).

If you check his 200+ world title wins then Joe Louis won only THREE times in a row (Nova, Baer, Simon).

There was no cruiser division until over fifty years later so your anaylsis is flawed.

[catalinul]

He's 33 and just won the title.

Surely he won't fight 25 times from now on.

[crold1]

short answer: yes

long answer: yes he will

like it or not...there is no one around that's going to beat the brothers...i thought about david haye...but he'll just get out pawed to a decision loss...chris arreola could knock wlad out...but would he ever even get that close to him?

unless he retires by choice...he won't be losing anytime soon...barring a fluke knockout...but that's with anybody...

so, granting even seven consecutive defenses right now, you're saying he wins his 19 in a row to break the mark?