Will Wladimir Klitschko break Joe Lous' 25 title defenses record?

[knn]

just the fact alone that a guy with hep B (chagaev) fight a guys

Chagaev didn't have hep b in the fight against Klitschko. There were no viruses in his blood and there was not even a proof that he ever suffered from hepatitis. Don't lie.

who was TKO'd by ross purrity (30-21-3!) for the HW title shows you the real state of the HW division in the 00's

Anyone can be be victim of a fluke KO at the heavyweights.

I never complained about Foreman losing and being KDed by a featherfisty bum (Jimmy Young 34-18). Because the record of Foreman and the record of Wladimir Klitschko speaks for itself. If someone would have 50 losses and 3 wins, you also wouldn't deduct anything from the 3 wins. If you want to deduct something then deduct something from Evan Field's heavyweight record which stands now at 24-10.

two can play at your ******ed little game

You posted 1 lie (that Chagaev had hepatits) and 1 irrelevancy (that Klitschko gassed against Puritty). This is far from any of the relevant facts that I post.

[knn]

Todays era isn't even close to the Holmes era.

Indeed, Holmes era ****** even more than Ali's era.

You will hardly find any household name in Larry's list of win-opponents. Except Eric Esch, Brian Nielsen and Ali (with Parkinson).

Further Michael Spinks (a sub-cruiser), Cooney (had only 22 wins in his heavyweight career, mainly against bums), and probably Larry's greatest win: Earnie Shavers (40-13 in his heavyweight career, most wins against bums, 7 KO losses).

[T.Horton]

[QUOTE=knn;5549237]Pure hater's post.

Wlad _IS_ already ATG by being the Ring Champion.

When it comes to wins in world title heavyweight fights (200+ lbs) then Wlad is only surpassed by Holmes, Ali and Lennox. Joe Louis' title defenses were mostly against cruisers = play in a different league.

And stop complaining about the state of the heavyweight division. It's better than at the time of Louis, BECAUSE AT THE TIME OF LOUIS THERE WAS ONLY A CRUISERWEIGHT DIVISION: This picture summarizes the state of the heavyweights during Louis' times pretty well:

They were CRUISERS. Louis title defenses were against a median 196lbs opponent.

The same applies to the division in Ali's times (Ali was fighting for the Olympic Gold Medal in the SUB-CRUISERS division < 178lbs).

If you want to return to the overhyped 70ies heavyweights division where a guy with Parkinson (Ali) fights a 6-0 guy (Spinks) for the world heavyweight title (WBA & WBC belts, 1978) THEN TELL US RIGHT NOW.

Unfortunately sigs can only be 500 characters long, otherwise I would have added Spinks (26-17) and other bums (like Jimmy Young 34-19) to Ali's "greatest hits".

Wins in world title fights against 200+ opponents
Holmes: 21 (15 KOs) against a median opponent of 39-11
Ali: 19 (9 KOs within 12 rounds) against a median opponent of 45-13
Lennox: 15 (10 KOs)
Wlad: 14 (12 KOs) against a median opponent of 32-4 (= better than Ali)
Tyson 12 (10 KOs)
Louis: 10 (7 KOs) against a median opponent of 56-16
Holyfield: 10 (4 KOs)
Foreman: 4 (3 KOs)

Actually Ali's opponents are even worse since I mercifully included their complete records (= including wins against cruisers and subcruisers). In other words: Already now Wlad fights better opposition than Ali (with George Foreman and maybe Lyle being the only exception). Ali's greatest achievement is that he managed to to not rematch Foreman. Lennox was fighting the best opposition.[/QUOTE

Carlos Baldomir was ring champ....was he an all-time great?

[1SILVA]

What do you think? Obviously two different cases here. Joe Louis was THE champion for all of his defenses while Wlad hasn't even gotten all the belts yet. But counting the main 4 belts, (correct me if I'm wrong) he has defended at least one of them 12 times. He's almost halfway there and just entering the prime of his career.

If he gets by Haye, I see him dominating easily for the next 3 years. That's when the next batch of prospects will be coming through (Fury, Wilder, ect.).

Keep in mind, other than waiting 6 months for Haye in 2009, Wlad fights 3-4 times a year.

He won't make it to 20

[lennon]

I just cant see how you can count defences of the WBO belt. A minor trinket from its inception and throughout the nineties. The time Wlad first held it was when Lewis was the World champion.

It always makes me laugh when he is announced as 2 time world champion on the back of the WBO belt. The could announce him as a former WBO title holder, that would be a fair and truthful description.

He still isnt even THE world champion.

[GJC]

Indeed, Holmes era ****** even more than Ali's era.

You will hardly find any household name in Larry's list of win-opponents. Except Eric Esch, Brian Nielsen and Ali (with Parkinson).

Further Michael Spinks (a sub-cruiser), Cooney (had only 22 wins in his heavyweight career, mainly against bums), and probably Larry's greatest win: Earnie Shavers (40-13 in his heavyweight career, most wins against bums, 7 KO losses).

Ken Norton, Mike Weaver, Tim Witherspoon,Trevor Berbick, Leon Spinks, Bonecrusher Smith, Ray Mercer......

[GJC]

3rd biggest win? There's about 8 wins ahead of his 2 over Chuvalo (73-18 64 ko's btw).

Probably the 3rd biggest in weight,its the only thing that counts don't you know?

[GJC]

Pure hater's post.

Wlad _IS_ already ATG by being the Ring Champion.

When it comes to wins in world title heavyweight fights (200+ lbs) then Wlad is only surpassed by Holmes, Ali and Lennox. Joe Louis' title defenses were mostly against cruisers = play in a different league.

And stop complaining about the state of the heavyweight division. It's better than at the time of Louis, BECAUSE AT THE TIME OF LOUIS THERE WAS ONLY A CRUISERWEIGHT DIVISION: This picture summarizes the state of the heavyweights during Louis' times pretty well:

They were CRUISERS. Louis title defenses were against a median 196lbs opponent.

The same applies to the division in Ali's times (Ali was fighting for the Olympic Gold Medal in the SUB-CRUISERS division < 178lbs).

If you want to return to the overhyped 70ies heavyweights division where a guy with Parkinson (Ali) fights a 6-0 guy (Spinks) for the world heavyweight title (WBA & WBC belts, 1978) THEN TELL US RIGHT NOW.

Unfortunately sigs can only be 500 characters long, otherwise I would have added Spinks (26-17) and other bums (like Jimmy Young 34-19) to Ali's "greatest hits".

Wins in world title fights against 200+ opponents
Holmes: 21 (15 KOs) against a median opponent of 39-11
Ali: 19 (9 KOs within 12 rounds) against a median opponent of 45-13
Lennox: 15 (10 KOs)
Wlad: 14 (12 KOs) against a median opponent of 32-4 (= better than Ali)
Tyson 12 (10 KOs)
Louis: 10 (7 KOs) against a median opponent of 56-16
Holyfield: 10 (4 KOs)
Foreman: 4 (3 KOs)

Actually Ali's opponents are even worse since I mercifully included their complete records (= including wins against cruisers and subcruisers). In other words: Already now Wlad fights better opposition than Ali (with George Foreman and maybe Lyle being the only exception). Ali's greatest achievement is that he managed to to not rematch Foreman. Lennox was fighting the best opposition.

That picture has Louis standing on a set of scales you idiot!

[BEEHOP]

Just look at Wlad, at 6'6'' 240lb, he would murder louis and ali.

You are delusional

[GJC]

Just look at Wlad, at 6'6'' 240lb, he would murder louis and ali.

Just like Carnera and Terrell did. Or Willard against Dempsey.