Will Wladimir Klitschko break Joe Lous' 25 title defenses record?

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  • BattlingNelson
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    #11
    Originally posted by knn
    Pure hater's post.

    Wlad _IS_ already ATG by being the Ring Champion.

    When it comes to wins in world title heavyweight fights (200+ lbs) then Wlad is only surpassed by Larry Holmes. Joe Louis' title defenses were mostly against cruisers = play in a different league.

    And stop complaining about the state of the heavyweight division. It's better than at the time of Louis, BECAUSE AT THE TIME OF LOUIS THERE WAS ONLY A CRUISERWEIGHT DIVISION: This picture summarizes the state of the heavyweights during Louis' times pretty well:

    They were CRUISERS. Louis title defenses were against a median 196lbs opponent.

    The same applies to the division in Ali's times (Ali was fighting for the Olympic Gold Medal in the SUB-CRUISERS division < 178lbs).

    If you want to return to the overhyped 70ies heavyweights division where a guy with Parkinson (Ali) fights a 6-0 guy (Spinks) for the world heavyweight title (WBA & WBC belts, 1978) THEN TELL US RIGHT NOW.

    Unfortunately sigs can only be 500 characters long, otherwise I would have added Spinks (26-17) and other bums (like Jimmy Young 34-19) to Ali's "greatest hits".

    Wins in world title fights against 200+ opponents
    Holmes: 21 (15 KOs) against a median opponent of 39-11
    Ali: 19 (11 KOs) against a median opponent of 45-13
    Lennox: 15 (10 KOs)
    Wlad: 14 (12 KOs) against a median opponent of 32-4 (= better than Ali)
    Tyson 12 (10 KOs)
    Louis: 10 (7 KOs) against a median opponent of 56-16
    Holyfield: 10 (4 KOs)
    Foreman: 4 (3 KOs)

    Actually Ali's opponents are even worse since I mercifully included their complete records (= including wins against cruisers and subcruisers). In other words: Already now Wlad fights better opposition than Ali (with George Foreman and maybe Lyle being the only exception). Ali's greatest achievement is that he managed to to not rematch Foreman. Lennox was fighting the best opposition.
    One thing: HW is unlimited weight so anybody is allowed to compete at HW.

    Now you can carry on with this moronic reasoning.

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    • knn
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      #12
      Originally posted by BattlingNelson
      One thing: HW is unlimited weight so anybody is allowed to compete at HW.
      Yeah, as soon as it's 200+.

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        #13
        Originally posted by knn
        Yeah, as soon as it's 200+.
        No. You can weigh in below.

        Carry on.

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        • THE REED
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          #14
          Originally posted by BattlingNelson
          No. You can weigh in below.

          Carry on.

          Yesssssir.

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          • Jesse Pinkman
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            #15
            Wlad would **** you and the world. Wlad is 6'6'' 240lb, 53-3 47 KO's

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            • knn
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              #16
              Originally posted by BattlingNelson
              No. You can weigh in below.
              If your opponent is 200+ then it's a HW fight.
              If your opponent is sub-200 then it's a cruiser fight.

              In rare cases a fighter has signed to fight as HW but weighs slightly below 200. Then the HW fight is allowed to go ahead as HW fight.

              The other way around, too: Sometimes a cruiser weighs slightly above 200. Then they nevertheless sanction it as cruiser fight to not cancel a scheduled fight.

              Moreover what has your reply to do with my post?
              Last edited by knn; 06-22-2009, 02:03 AM.

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              • Heru
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                #17
                Originally posted by knn
                Wins in world title fights against 200+ opponents
                Holmes: 21 (15 KOs) against a median opponent of 39-11
                Ali: 19 (11 KOs) against a median opponent of 45-13
                Lennox: 15 (10 KOs)
                Wlad: 14 (12 KOs) against a median opponent of 32-4 (= better than Ali)
                Tyson 12 (10 KOs)
                Louis: 10 (7 KOs) against a median opponent of 56-16
                Holyfield: 10 (4 KOs)
                Foreman: 4 (3 KOs)
                How many Hall of Famers are there in Wlad's median?

                How many ATG's are in that median?

                How many all time top 10, or even top 20 heavyweights are in that median?

                Now do the same to Ali's median, George Chuvalo would go undefeated if he fought Wlad's resume, discrediting ass hater.

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                • Jesse Pinkman
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                  #18
                  Just look at Wlad, at 6'6'' 240lb, he would murder louis and ali.



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                  • BattlingNelson
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by knn
                    If your opponent is 200+ then it's a HW fight.
                    If your opponent is sub-200 then it's a cruiser fight.

                    In rare cases a fighter has signed to fight as HW but weighs slightly below 200. Then the HW fight is allowed to go ahead as HW fight.

                    The other way around, too: Sometimes a cruiser weighs slightly above 200. Then they nevertheless sanction it as cruiser fight to not cancel a scheduled fight.

                    Moreover what has your reply to do with my post?
                    A HW champion can fight a fighter below 200 as I said.

                    I suggest you add Ali's record against HOF'ers to you otherwise p4p worst sig on NSB.

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                    • FreshPrince
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by Mountain Man
                      Just look at Wlad, at 6'6'' 240lb, he would murder louis and ali.



                      Who is that bearded **** under Wlad's left arm? He looks like he is fantasizing about doing naughty things with Wladimir.

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