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  • sterling
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    #11
    Originally posted by Allucard
    Oh and btw, Bernard won the Calzaghe fight in my book. Air and arm flurries don't score where i'm from...
    Lmao u noob calzaghe won by whippin tht ass

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    • Allucard
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      #12
      Originally posted by sterling
      Lmao u noob calzaghe won by whippin tht ass
      really? i doubt u even saw the full fight. SD, failed showboat, dropped in the first round? he failed dude.

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      • intoccabile
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        #13
        Originally posted by edgar85
        Is it me or is Cotto not the same fighter he used to before Margarito. Did Margarito change him?
        It was the same cotto, what is everyone smoking.
        He still had the same tendency to reset his feet, lean foward,
        and put his face between his gloves so he could get uppercutted.

        He still had the same combos but this time against the best defense
        he's ever come across. etc etc.


        he was the same person.

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        • intoccabile
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          #14
          Originally posted by Allucard
          He didn't win that fight, that's the first point. Secondly he is clearly damaged. How can one take such beatings from virtually every world class opponent he faces and still expect to "be the same" after each fight is beyond me. OF COURSE Cotto is not the same as he was lets say when he fought Mosley. Compare the Mosley performance with this one. Are you saying Clottey >> Mosley? So do the maths. It happens in boxing and now is the time people will get in line to face Cotto, just like they did to Mayweather when he turned 30. Plenty of fights for Cotto now. Real fights.
          Clottey is better than Mosley imo.

          Minus the power and output.
          The man still has better technical tools.

          I'd Pick clottey to beat mosley as winky did

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          • Pugilistic™
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            #15
            Originally posted by Allucard
            Work rate shouldn't win you fights. It's just sad boxing is mutating to this strange business where work rate and drawing power are scoring factors. Cotto did lose that fight. 114-113 but he lost. There's no way Clottey not doing enough should be a factor here as he was pressing the fight the whole time, landed more punches, according to compubox, me and other analysts. Anyway the worrying thing about Cotto is him getting tagged too easily, cut or no cut if you sum up the amount of right hands he took in his last well in almost all his fights you can imagine there must be some damage already. Also his reflexes are not all great, he cuts very easily (nearly all his fights) and is stamina isn't very good either. Add to that his diminishing work rate and good record, you will see fighters lining up to face Cotto now. If Cotto is a smart man he'll take Mosley again as he already beat him once and at this stage, almost 40, Mosley is bound to lose again. After Mosley i don't see Cotto beating a Williams, a Mayweather or a Pacquiao.
            You are convinced Cotto lost the fight but your scorecard is 114-113 Clottey, Thats not exactly a clear win for Clottey now is it ? I can agree with you though, it was close and could of went either way.

            Just because Clottey moved forward most of the fight doesn't win he automatically wins rounds, in some rounds Cotto clearly controlled the tempo of the fight (ring generalship) and was more active. Activity in boxing counts and comes under the effective agression category.

            Clottey did land the cleaner shots overall throughout the fight but lost the fight due to his lack of workrate in some rounds and allowing Cotto to control the tempo.

            I wouldn't take Compubox too seriously either, i never use Compubox when it comes to scoring rounds. I personally feel it is unaccurate.

            Cotto has always lacked defense and he does tend to get cut.

            I disagree about his stamina though, I personally feel he has good stamina.

            one last thing at you putting Williams in the same category as Pacquiao and Mayweather but i agree he loses to Williams and Mayweather, I give him a chance against Pacquiao though.

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            • Pugilistic™
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              #16
              Originally posted by sterling
              Lmao u noob calzaghe won by whippin tht ass
              Calzaghe never whooped anyone's ass on that night.

              It was a close bout and could of went either way.

              Originally posted by Allucard
              Oh and btw, Bernard won the Calzaghe fight in my book. Air and arm flurries don't score where i'm from...
              I actually scored the fight for Hopkins 114-113.

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              • talip bin osman
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                #17
                its still cotto...

                its just that he faced a very determined & underrated foe last time around...

                with a one good eye...

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                • The_Demon
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Allucard
                  really? i doubt u even saw the full fight. SD, failed showboat, dropped in the first round? he failed dude.
                  hahaha FAIL

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                  • dans
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by edgar85
                    Is it me or is Cotto not the same fighter he used to before Margarito. Did Margarito change him?
                    Clottey fights similar to Margarito and is equally as physically imposing. That type of fighter will always give Cotto problems. When Cotto is the bigger man, he's always been the same old Cotto.

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                    • MELLY-MEL...
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by Precision
                      Cotto was the same fighter.

                      The cut took him off his game clearly imo and Clottey's style was a tough matchup for him.

                      He showed his heart battling through the cut and winning the fight.
                      real talk.............

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