Pacquiao’s Choice Should Be a Real "Welterweight" Fight

[znarfv_y2k8]

Great post.

Defending his lineal title against the best in his division is exactly what Floyd is always criticised for not doing, and the same standards should be applied to Pac.

I don't think so, 'cause Pacquiao is the opposite of Floyd...Pacquiao's is in a different league of a fighter than of Floyd...Pacquiao super stardom status & greatness solidified when he waged wars among the Mexican greats w/ a 5wins-1loss-1draw record...A move to battle the bigger champions draws a lot of risk, needs a lot of courage & tested himself to be capable of denying the scales to the next level of greatness...

He has proven himself cleaning his division before by fighting the best there could be (Marquez2x, Barerra2x,Morales3x)...Today is a different story, a strategical, historical, & moneywise move to find his place among the all time greats...

[znarfv_y2k8]

pac don't have a chance against cotto if cotto is pratically a middleweight on fight night while pac is a welterweight on fight night.

don't forget, pac only weighed 138 lbs against hatton.


cotto was begging for this fight before the clottey fight though.


yeah, i just wish these WWs would stop begging pac for a fight.


I definitely wouldn't mind seeing pac/bradley.


um... these WWs are begging pac for a fight.


cotto and mosley don't have to fight at a catchweight if they don't want to. they both can walk away from the negotiations you know.


lol... that's random


um... he also created dlh, pbf, and cotto. he also promoted ali and SRL.


lol... pac doesn't decide anything. pac offers a fight. other boxer can either accept the offer, produce a counter-offer, or walk away.


yes


this is how boxing has been done for a long time now. even floyd and mosley does it this way.


how does losing to floyd and mosley prove pac is a phoney? there's no shame in losing to floyd or mosley. if they were bums, maybe, but both are bonafide HOFers and potential if not already ATGs.

Nice replies & arguments...

[znarfv_y2k8]

pac has said straight up that he's open for anyone, but roach has specifically picked out floyd then jmm, then retire.

neither has ever asked cotto or mosley for a fight prior to last weekend and even then, we only know what arum told us. we haven't even heard anything from roach or pac.

it is a two way street. whatever catchweight they sign for, no excuses or complaints.


pac's legacy is already set in stone. for pac to lose to guys that outweigh him 8-10+ lbs on fight night would not diminish his legacy.



true, but you gotta remind them what's at stake.

I'm beginning to praise u more than anyone else here...more power to u!!!

[Dave Rado]

pac don't have a chance against cotto if cotto is pratically a middleweight on fight night while pac is a welterweight on fight night.

don't forget, pac only weighed 138 lbs against hatton.

He weighed in at 138, but his fight night weight, as you say, is around 147.

Armstrong weighed 133 on fight night when he won the Welterweight title, and for all his defences. Doesn't necessarily mean Pac can do it, but he keeps surprising people, and he'd get far more respect, win or lose, if he didn't try to get Cotto to come in weight drained. And he might surprise everyone again. If he did, the fight would make him an immortal comparable with Armstrong.

And I think you're seriously under-estimating Pac. Someone who could destroy the #1 ranked Jnr Welterweight as comprehensively as he destroyed Hatton is likely to be competitive one weight division higher. He might not be the favourite to win, but he makes a habit of upsetting the odds, and it would be an intriguing fight. But there's nothing intriguing about a fight where one of the fighters is weight drained. Fighting a weight drained Cotto would not be a legacy fight. It would be a circus act.

cotto was begging for this fight before the clottey fight though.

yeah, i just wish these WWs would stop begging pac for a fight.

Pac's camp had made it clear long before that that Pac wanted to fight Welters. It started with Roach saying that Pac had told him he wanted to fight Margarito. That was only a few weeks after the De La Hoya fight.

Plus the "Cotto begging" thing is supposition and rumour, he hasn't said anything publicly apart from his statement that he wouldn't be willing to come down below 145.

And as bucktoof said so eloquently:

Seems more like a two way street to me. I haven't heard Team Pac mention the name of any JWW's for his next fight, have you? Both sides, Pac and the WWs, got $$ signs in their eyes.

That's cool, but as a Pacfan, I hope he doesn't diminish his legacy for it.

If Cotto wants to beat Pac at 147 and get no credit for beating up a smaller man, I don't care. Let Cotto fans worry about that.

That sums it up perfectly, IMO. If Cotto signs the contract, it will be his fault if he loses, for signing it. But if it's at anything less than 147, it would not be a legacy fight for Pac. It would be much better for his legacy to defend his Ring belt against the top contenders in his own division.

And as I said, those Pac fans who don't want Pac to test himself against an unhandicapped fighter are seriously under-estimating the fighter they claim to support, IMO.

[jjronda]

If what pacquiao is doing ain't no big deal, how come no one else is doing it at this age and time of boxing??? You can't compare the yesteryears of boxing it's like comparing George Mikan to Dwight Howard of the nba. Great strides in developments has jumped in training and supplements over the years. Maybe you are right. Maybe you or anybody else should step in the ring with either Mosley or Cotto at 147. The welterweight limit..

[Dave Rado]

I don't think so, 'cause Pacquiao is the opposite of Floyd...Pacquiao's is in a different league of a fighter than of Floyd...Pacquiao super stardom status & greatness solidified when he waged wars among the Mexican greats w/ a 5wins-1loss-1draw record...A move to battle the bigger champions draws a lot of risk, needs a lot of courage & tested himself to be capable of denying the scales to the next level of greatness...

He has proven himself cleaning his division before by fighting the best there could be (Marquez2x, Barerra2x,Morales3x)...Today is a different story, a strategical, historical, & moneywise move to find his place among the all time greats...

Mayweather also had a great record up to Lightweight. And fighting a weight drained Welterweight will not help Pac find his place among the all time greats. And refusing to defend his lineal title against the best contenders is exactly what Floyd is criticised for doing. The same standards should apply to Pac. Either he should defend his title, or he should move up to Welterweight and beat them without them being weight drained.

[haploid]

pacquiao is exceptional. of course the fight will be at 147. cliff, ur wish is already written in history.

[jetgeomcx]

He's got plenty of great fights he can make at 140. They might not sell as well but they would be much better fights and much better for his legacy than asking a bigger fighter to come in weight drained, and he's already a multi-millionaire.

dave, pac is not asking anybody to come weight drained.
everybody knows that manny is not a welterweight.
manny will fyt cotto at 147 if he has his ways, but his entire team won't let him.
and why can't you let cotto fyt manny at a more competitive "catchweight"??
on the other hand, what would it make of cotto if he beats manny at 147, it is expected anyway!!
it just proves the old adage of "the big good man beats the small good man".
it is cotto's decision to go down to what level he is still comfortable.
he's not being forced to go down to 142.
cotto fought clotte at 146, is 144 really too much for him as to say he is weight drained?!?! c'mon man.....

i would love manny to fyt at 147 and be victorious.
surely he will become among the ATGreatest.
but let's not be very selfish, think of the consequences if he can't absorb cotto's punches coz he is really a midget.
can anybody in conscience accept that if it ever happens?? his team specially
"YES!!".... i heard all the pachaters say.....

[jetgeomcx]

crold i wanna know how you would advise team pacquiao to level the playing field because cotto is way too big for pac.


ortiz is too green. pac would ruin him.

arum has been wanting to give soto a shot at pac, and pac and roach are not averse to a fight with soto. I dunno where u get the idea that roach doesn't like a fight between pac and soto. they don't call pac the mexicutioner for nothing.


but on the flipside, cotto doesn't have to fight pac at a catchweight if he doesn't want to. cotto can flip off team pac and fight someone else. you can't blame pac for making cotto sign the contract because its cotto's decision and its cotto's fault if he loses.


pac never belonged to the WW division in the first place. the dlh fight was a catchweight itself.


no way. if pac fights cotto and mosley at 147 lbs he gets destroyed. its suicide. its a mismatch. its as bad as pbf fighting jmm.


I agree. they should say fight me at 147 lbs or gtfo. too bad they are greedy bastards and have no one to blame but themselves if they sign the contract for a catchweight.


cotto wants the fight as well. cotto was threatening to leave Top Rank if he didn't get the pac fight.


well, there's glory and then there's suicide. fighting mosley and cotto at 147 lbs is suicide.


then cotto should reject team pac's offer and fight them.


that's what cotto should say, but he's too greedy and will make the catchweight. cotto will have no one but himself to blame if he loses to pac.


cotto ain't an easy fight, even at a catchweight. that's idiot talk.


cotto/pac comes from the demented mind of bob arum. pac and roach weren't pursuing anybody. if anything cotto and mosley were begging pac for a fight.


I agree! I mean seriously! I don't know how these *******s can say cotto (basically a middleweight on fight night) doesn't have a huge size advantage over pac (basically a welterweight on fight night). with out a catchweight this fight is a total mismatch.


I'm seriously! if cotto signs to fight a catchweight then STFU and stop complaining and making excuses.


that's what I'm talking about. cotto don't need to sign a catchweight deal. he can walk away from the fight. but if he doesn't they he's the boy and pac's the daddy.


so what, pac's been KOed and has been in wars. I guess pac doesn't deserve to fight undefeated fighters lol. sounds like a pbf argument to duck mosley.


you must be a calz fan because calz is undefeated and has never been KOed or damaged.

yo, Pullcounter.....!!
you single-handedly parlayed all those myths and gibberish from moronic posters.
bottom is is: it is cotto's own decision to make.
he signs at a catchweight that he thinks he can beat pacman.
or don't sign if he thinks it's too low for him.
he won't sign his own death wish, won't he!

the haters are just making early alibis for cotto....
let's all wait for cotto's decision.
and when the deal is done....both guys believe that they can beat the other.
therefore no EXCUSES WHATSOEVER.... um!

[deejd]

If what pacquiao is doing ain't no big deal, how come no one else is doing it at this age and time of boxing??? You can't compare the yesteryears of boxing it's like comparing George Mikan to Dwight Howard of the nba. Great strides in developments has jumped in training and supplements over the years. Maybe you are right. Maybe you or anybody else should step in the ring with either Mosley or Cotto at 147. The welterweight limit..

The whole point of the article is to point out that Roach will ultimately be the one tarnishing Pacquiao's achievements. Even at '44, Mosley would still punish Pac and if Roach talks Cotto down to '45 (if it does happen), and Pac wins, everyone will say, "oh, well Cotto had to kill himself in training." It's garbage stipulations that Roach is now coming up with to make Pac seem invincible. If you call out Shane Mosley or Miguel Cotto, call out Sugar Shane and Cotto at '47.