Wladimir Klitschko Says Heavyweight Division is Not Dead

[KESSLER]

its dead anywhere.. im european, who gives a **** where u are from? i want to see quality fighters fight quality fighters. in other words not the klitchkos beating up on fatboys. i feel bad for the klitschkos cuz they havent got a chance to prove themselfs, to bash them is unfair. at the same time u cant rank them amongst the ATGs since they havent been properly challenged.

Klitschko brothers, Dimitrenko, Haye, Chagaev, Chambers, Virchis, Boytsov, Arreola, Povetkin ... There's some good fighters in the heavyweight division.

[#1Assassin]

Klitschko brothers, Dimitrenko, Haye, Chagaev, Chambers, Virchis, Boytsov, Arreola, Povetkin ... There's some good fighters in the heavyweight division.

chambers and arreola?

both are fat as ****, dont have heart enough to train. arreolas skills are pathetic and chambers pretty much quit against povetkin. who himself is a bit chubby, decent fighter. but nothing special. dimitrenko and boytsov i havent seen enough of. virchis im not at all impressed with. chagaev im not at all impressed with eighter. haye neighter.. his speed and power is overrated. he has no stamina, bad balance, throws wide punches..

in general im simply not impressed with the division. its not what it used to be.

[knn]

u cant mean that.. seriously?

do u acctually watch boxing or do u just read the outcome and make your assesment from that? no way anyone can think todays american HWs are as good as the ones from the past.

there were eastern europeans in the olympics back then. still the likes of foreman, ali and frazier beat their ass and all won gold. read up on where their oponents were from.. the americans ruled the amateurs (europeans involved) and then went on to rule the pros the same way.

It's always funny when people try to prove their opinion about professional heavyweight boxing by mentioning
1) Olympics
2) Amateurs
3) some cruiser or sub-cruiser performances

Who cares about performance at the Olympics? Who cares about Amateur bouts? They have different rule sets for fighting and judging. Who cares about sub-cruisers?

Anyway, let's actually check boxing (heavyweight) at the Olympic games:
1960: Italy wins (Czech 3rd)
1964: Frazier wins (East bloc wins everything from featherweight to middleweight)
1968: Foreman wins (USSR second)
1972: Cuba wins (Romania second)
1976: Cuba wins (Romania second)
1980: Cuba wins (USSR second)

Except for the win of Foreman (who IMO is the best boxer of the 70ies) I don't see any clear dominance of US-boxers over eastbloc boxers.

Soviets weren't allowed to compete professionally, and that was mainly a political decision by the Soviet bloc.

the fighters dont have heart or will and it shows in their physiques aswell as their skills. eastern europeans now rule HW boxing, amateur and pro over americans. just like americans did over europeans back in the day.

They never "ruled over europeans" because they hardly ever faced East-Europeans. Add to it that they hardly ever fought OUTSIDE of the US and you see that the 50ies-70ies are a boxing hype machine consisting mainly of locals fighting locals.

**By the way, the median win-opponent of Foreman in the 70ies was 204lbs and has a record of 20-14. YAWN.))

[#1Assassin]

It's always funny when people try to prove their opinion about professional heavyweight boxing by mentioning
1) Olympics
2) Amateurs
3) some cruiser or sub-cruiser performances

Who cares about performance at the Olympics? Who cares about Amateur bouts? They have different rule sets for fighting and judging. Who cares about sub-cruisers?

Anyway, let's actually check boxing (heavyweight) at the Olympic games:
1960: Italy wins (Czech 3rd)
1964: Frazier wins (East bloc wins everything from featherweight to middleweight)
1968: Foreman wins (USSR second)
1972: Cuba wins (Romania second)
1976: Cuba wins (Romania second)
1980: Cuba wins (USSR second)

Except for the win of Foreman (who IMO is the best boxer of the 70ies) I don't see any clear dominance of US-boxers over eastbloc boxers.

Soviets weren't allowed to compete professionally, and that was mainly a political decision by the Soviet bloc.


They never "ruled over europeans" because they hardly ever faced East-Europeans. Add to it that they hardly ever fought OUTSIDE of the US and you see that the 50ies-70ies are a boxing hype machine consisting mainly of locals fighting locals.

**By the way, the median win-opponent of Foreman in the 70ies was 204lbs and has a record of 20-14. YAWN.))

u said american fighters ruled simply cuz the USSR fighters didnt compete as pros. i simply stated that the fighters who ruled as pros, frazier, foreman and ali. all ruled as amatures, and beat the USSR fighters in the olympics.

[The Hammer]

its dead anywhere.. im european, who gives a **** where u are from? i want to see quality fighters fight quality fighters. in other words not the klitchkos beating up on fatboys. i feel bad for the klitschkos cuz they havent got a chance to prove themselfs, to bash them is unfair. at the same time u cant rank them amongst the ATGs since they havent been properly challenged.

Are you another Fidayin alt? He had another account banned yeaterday.

Why do you write "u" instead of you? Do you realize that makes you seem to be either a little child or a ******ed adult?

[#1Assassin]

Are you another Feyin alt? He had another account banned yeaterday.

Why do you write "u" instead of you? Do you realize that makes you seem to be either a little child or a ******ed adult?

its the internet, i dont care how it looks. the only thing you (happy?) should pay attention to is what i am saying. everything else is a waste of time.

im not anyones alt. get that? maybe i share opinions with some of these ppl, just like you do woth klitschko2009 and vit ****s. i dont accuse you of neing an alt, do i?

the only one who resembles a 13-14 year old child is you, bragging about your penis size on the internet.

[The Hammer]

its the internet, i dont care how it looks. the only thing you should pay attention to is what i am saying. everything else is a waste of time.

im not anyones alt. get that? maybe i share opinions with some of these ppl, just like you do woth klitschko2009 and vit ****s. i dont accuse you of neing an alt, do i?

the only one who resembles a 13-14 year old child is you, bragging about your penis size on the internet.

I got you to write "you" that time instead of just "u"...

[#1Assassin]

I got you to write "you" that time instead of just "u"...

well i asked if it would make YOU happy, and obviously it did.

good for you, im sure it made your week.

you didnt "make" me do anything.

[#1Assassin]

atleast we found out who is a child.. grow up please.. peace

[The Hammer]

atleast we found out who is a child.. grow up please.. peace

No, the childish people in this forum are those like YOU, those come here and ridicule great heavyweights like the Klitschkos every day. Yes, those who attack me every day, here and in the dome, for being a fan of the Klitschkos.

Those who are heavily influenced by the media are childish. They believe every word that haters like Max Kellerman and Teddy Atlas say, and repeat it like little parrots. Such people are naive, like the children who were led by the pied piper.