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  • #21
    If Cotto is smart he will stay away from a rematch with Clottey.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by -Antonio- View Post
      I've seen the fight four times now (I'm a freak), and I still just can't agree with shouts of robberry. I think it's pretty ridiculous actually. The main problem is, Clottey's best rounds 7-9 were clear rounds which he landed clean effective punches. That leaves an impression overall, but those rounds count the same as the 3rd round that Cotto edged by the skin of his teeth. It's just how boxing works.
      Seriously man. This is what I've been saying. Clottey's stretch from the 7th to the 9th was dominant, it was the most dominant either fighter looked at any stretch of the fight(I guess beside Cotto in the 6th). That stretch is where the disparity in the compubox numbers happened, and it's also the stretch that gave people the feel that Clottey won.

      But for better or worse, you don't get more points for dominating a round as opposed to edging a round out. That's just boxing. That's why it felt like Collazo beat Berto, cause there were like 3 rounds there where Collazo threw over a 100 punches and dominated, but Berto was winning rounds. This was the same thing. Clottey was overall more impressive, but when using the scoring boxing uses, Cotto edged it by the knockdown. I can see 114-113 being for either fighter, but I gave it to Cotto and feel confident in that after seeing it 5 times as well.

      And this fight is very different without that cut. Believe that.

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      • #23
        Originally posted by rob6465 View Post
        If Cotto is smart he will stay away from a rematch with Clottey.
        I'm not so sure about that. Without the cut, Clottey would not have landed all those right hands, and Cotto would have gotten more rounds.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by Nick Fury View Post
          I have to disagree with how can anyone hate Clottey?

          Clottey acted like a little girl Saturday...when he fell and complained about his knee..when Cotto barellllyy jab the back of his head and he fell on the floor holding his head from so much "pain"...dude acted like a clown in my opinion.
          did u see how the ref acted when he did go down..lol..

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          • #25
            Originally posted by S.G. View Post
            Seriously, I was gutted when he got cut. I thought there was no way in Hell the fight gets past round 6
            Same... I really thought it would be stopped.

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            • #26
              It was a really close fight but I knew Cotto was going to get the win. I didn't score round by round yet (something that I will get around to soon) and I could tell it was pretty damn close and basically whoever won the last two rounds would get the nod most likely. Clottey should have went for it more at the end to guarantee a victory. He didn't and Cotto did even with that cut that probably needed 15 stitches. Clottey may think he edged it but he only has himself to blame. He didn't finish the fight like a champion. He skated through the final rounds and Cotto fought like a champion. He should have known he wasn't going to steal a razor thin decision victory from Cotto.

              I would like to see a rematch though.. Bad! It would be interesting to see how Cotto would have done without the cut and to see if Clottey would put it all out on the line to win.

              Props to both men for a very competitive and entertaining fight.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by carloson75 View Post
                Cotto won a very, very close fight. Cotto clearly won rounds 1, 4, 6, and 12. Clottey clearly won rounds 5, 7, 8, 9. Rounds 2,3, 10, and 11 were closer, but I thought Cotto edge Clottey in rounds 3 and 11 (in the 11 they both landed the same amount of punches, 19, but Cotto was much more active and landed the harder punches). I gave Clottey rounds 2 and 10 (in the 10, Clottey outlanded Cotto but Cotto landed the only significant punch of the round). I had Cotto winning 114-113. However, rounds 2, 3, 10, and 11 could have gone either way. That's why even though I didn't score it that way, I think that even the 116-111 is plausible if the judge gave Cotto all the close rounds
                Agreed with everything apart from the end. 116-111 I can't see. That would mean giving Cotto round 2 and 10. Or maybe 9 which he could have stolen if he let go on Clottey with his back to the corner.

                Originally posted by S.G. View Post
                Seriously, I was gutted when he got cut. I thought there was no way in Hell the fight gets past round 6
                Originally posted by savorduhflavor View Post
                Seriously man. This is what I've been saying. Clottey's stretch from the 7th to the 9th was dominant, it was the most dominant either fighter looked at any stretch of the fight(I guess beside Cotto in the 6th). That stretch is where the disparity in the compubox numbers happened, and it's also the stretch that gave people the feel that Clottey won.

                But for better or worse, you don't get more points for dominating a round as opposed to edging a round out. That's just boxing. That's why it felt like Collazo beat Berto, cause there were like 3 rounds there where Collazo threw over a 100 punches and dominated, but Berto was winning rounds. This was the same thing. Clottey was overall more impressive, but when using the scoring boxing uses, Cotto edged it by the knockdown. I can see 114-113 being for either fighter, but I gave it to Cotto and feel confident in that after seeing it 5 times as well.

                And this fight is very different without that cut. Believe that.
                I agree the cut had a big impact. More so than Clottey's bogus knee injury.
                Last edited by -Antonio-; 06-15-2009, 12:54 PM.

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by North Star View Post
                  I'm not so sure about that. Without the cut, Clottey would not have landed all those right hands, and Cotto would have gotten more rounds.
                  says who?!?!.......or this is your own 2 pennies?!?.......how the phuck could anyone know something like that?!?......I need to phuckin' know!!!!

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                  • #29
                    Well said. Problem is a lot of these clowns that post on here love boxing, but never had the nuts to step into the ring and don't know what it takes. Experts at judging people and talking crap about people they don't even know.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by SekondzOut View Post
                      says who?!?!.......or this is your own 2 pennies?!?.......how the phuck could anyone know something like that?!?......I need to phuckin' know!!!!
                      If you can't see out of your left eye with a giant cut over it, how will you see all the right hands coming? ****, when you have an eyelash in your eye, it bugs the shiiit out of you and you can't see clearly. Now imagine it's a pint of blood in there. It's common sense man.

                      Clottey is known for headbutts and lead his billy goat head into Cotto in the third. I'm not certain that it was accidental at all.

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