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  • DLT
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    Clottey Lost The Fight On 1 Punch In....

    the very 1st round. The judges scorecards were bad so he still wouldve only had a draw with them and some writers but I think most fans and alot of writers either gave the fight to Clottey or they had Cotto winning by 1 or 2 points.

    It all goes back to that jab knock down. Pretty much everyone gave that round to Clottey. I think he was winning it hands down. The round was an inch away from being over and he gets dropped on a jab. That totally changes the match. Right there he goes from being up 10-9 to being down 8-10. Its a 3pt swing in a split second. That totally changes the score of the fight. You have a guy like Manny Steward who I think was saying what alot of people felt. 3 or 4 rounds in and he was feeling like besides the 1 punch knock down, he felt Clottey was clearly winning the rest of the fight. You could tell that he wasnt scoring it though, he was just going by feel. In his mind he's basically seeing that Clottey has one everything but the knock down so you have the feel that he's up but the truth is he's already down by 2 after the 1st round. That whole is so hard to overcome. You could argue that if Clottey really won the 1st then maybe you should score it 10-9 for Cotto but most people say that if you get dropped, then unless you truly dominate a guy, it has to be scored 10-8 the other way. Clottey was definatly winning the round but he wasnt dominating it.

    To me this is the biggest difference in the fight. If Cotto doesnt have that 2 point lead from the jump then I think he's fighting from behind all fight, atleast in public opinion. Now the truth is that you can say stuff like this about every fight the the only difference here is that it was such a fluke knock down. Clottey has one of the best chin's in boxing and he gets dropped off a basic jab when he's winning the very 1st round that sets the tone for the rest of the fight. You just cant let that happened, e****ally at the very end of the round. If that one punch didnt happened and the rest of the fight went the exact same way then I think everyone wouldve scored it for Clottey. It was a 3 point swing. Please dont come on here and say that you had Cotto winning that round anyways because he definatly did not
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    Listen at the end of the day theyre both great fighters but Clottey is a crybaby and i lost some respect for him...Cotto showed he has balls to fight through pain and injury..Had no cut occurred you wouldve saw Cotto pressuring Clottey into corners all night because he was dictating the pace and backing Clottey up with no problem...Clottey went down from a dam jab..But ok Cotto throws stingers for jabs...I love Clottey but knew in my heart he doesnt have what it takes to beat Cotto no matter what...

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      Originally posted by 6Bound
      Listen at the end of the day theyre both great fighters but Clottey is a crybaby and i lost some respect for him...Cotto showed he has balls to fight through pain and injury..Had no cut occurred you wouldve saw Cotto pressuring Clottey into corners all night because he was dictating the pace and backing Clottey up with no problem...Clottey went down from a dam jab..But ok Cotto throws stingers for jabs...I love Clottey but knew in my heart he doesnt have what it takes to beat Cotto no matter what...
      I dont know if thats fair to say. In a different thread I said that 3 things stopped this fight from being super great. 1 was the cut, 2 was Clottey's knee, and 3 was the slipping on the ads. My point is that as much as Cotto changed with the cut, I thought Clottey equaly changed with the knee injury. He had all the momentum and was doing very well until then. After that he acted a little like a baby. Although I dont want to fully say that because he may have legitmatly been hurt. Either way I think his leg affected him just as much as Cotto's eye but no one is talking about that. He was tagging Cotto non stop until that injury. Sure you could say that if Cotto didnt have the cut then he couldve done this and that but I think you could say the exact same thing about the knee. On top of that I think Clottey was clearly winning the fight before the cut. He was out boxing Cotto.

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        DLT you still sold on your bigger man beats Cotto theory? I scored it 6 rds a piece, you can make a case Cotto beat him by a round (10), can't see Clottey beating him by a round thou. anyway, I agree on the knock down winning the fight for him, especially now that I just rewatch it.

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          Originally posted by DLT
          I dont know if thats fair to say. In a different thread I said that 3 things stopped this fight from being super great. 1 was the cut, 2 was Clottey's knee, and 3 was the slipping on the ads. My point is that as much as Cotto changed with the cut, I thought Clottey equaly changed with the knee injury. He had all the momentum and was doing very well until then. After that he acted a little like a baby. Although I dont want to fully say that because he may have legitmatly been hurt. Either way I think his leg affected him just as much as Cotto's eye but no one is talking about that. He was tagging Cotto non stop until that injury. Sure you could say that if Cotto didnt have the cut then he couldve done this and that but I think you could say the exact same thing about the knee. On top of that I think Clottey was clearly winning the fight before the cut. He was out boxing Cotto.
          I hear what your saying and i respect you and your opinion..But he was not winning the fight b4 the cut and knee injury my ass. And he was crying about nerve damage after the fight..Come on...He didnt have no problems "chasing" Cotto as he puts it..Meanwhile it was Cotto fighting hurt and blind...Typical Clottey..After this i swear im not defending him anymore..Without the cut a non-cautious/pensive Cotto will mug Clottey..

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            Originally posted by gerardofpr
            DLT you still sold on your bigger man beats Cotto theory? I scored it 6 rds a piece, you can make a case Cotto beat him by a round (10), can't see Clottey beating him by a round thou. anyway, I agree on the knock down winning the fight for him, especially now that I just rewatch it.
            That was a long time ago. Since then I talked alot about how much he had improved as a fighter. You rarely see guys improve as much as he did. I had the Clottey fight 50/50 going in and I even had Cotto 50/50 with Williams coming into last night. Not sure how I have it now. It was such a weird fight with so many different factors. I will give him credit for fighting on though. I thought both guys showed great skills and sometimes average skills. I thought both guys showed why they are elite but they also showed alot of flaws. Its hard to judge. There is something missing from Clottey though. You see it in all his fights. He's like right there but he's missing something. Every fight he has you like he's about to do something great but then it never comes

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              Originally posted by DLT
              That was a long time ago. Since then I talked alot about how much he had improved as a fighter. You rarely see guys improve as much as he did. I had the Clottey fight 50/50 going in and I even had Cotto 50/50 with Williams coming into last night. Not sure how I have it now. It was such a weird fight with so many different factors. I will give him credit for fighting on though. I thought both guys showed great skills and sometimes average skills. I thought both guys showed why they are elite but they also showed alot of flaws. Its hard to judge. There is something missing from Clottey though. You see it in all his fights. He's like right there but he's missing something. Every fight he has you like he's about to do something great but then it never comes
              LOL, we've been talking boxing for a while now, remember back then how many Cotto haters we had ? it was worst than now. Missing something? I guess a bit more stamina wouldn't hurt him but he's ok. Anyway, I agree, Cotto has improve a LOT, time for a big mega fight!

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                Originally posted by gerardofpr
                LOL, we've been talking boxing for a while now, remember back then how many Cotto haters we had ? it was worst than now. Missing something? I guess a bit more stamina wouldn't hurt him but he's ok. Anyway, I agree, Cotto has improve a LOT, time for a big mega fight!
                you do know that I was talking about Clottey when I said "missing something", right?

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by DLT
                  you do know that I was talking about Clottey when I said "missing something", right?
                  LOL i thought you meant cotto

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                    That 1st rd KD mighta been a 3 point swing. I think it cost Clottey the fight.

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