Hypothetical situation here fellas.....

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I'm not doing punch counts or anything but Compubox isn't foolproof, they have been off with their numbers before and they could have been wrong in this one.

This fight felt like the Campbell-Funeka fight for me, I had the feeling that Funeka had won the fight against Campbell but when I looked at the scorecards, I had Campbell winning, I had a similar feeling for this fight with Clottey in Funeka's place and Cotto in Campbell's.

[MOTHER DUCKER]

So, another thing I found interesting was the punch stat numbers. Normally I don't really look at these as any big thing, but, in this case you have Clottey landing 222 to only 179, with a much larger connect % of power shots and only one less jab.

What's the deal there? That's a pretty damn high amount to end up losing with scores of 116/111 and 115/112.

Man, hurry up and download!

Yep i would love to see the round by round score of each judges (don't know if its available) i watched the fight live and i dont see how in the hell 116/111 happened. You will see when you watch the fight anyway, i can't find it atm but on HBO Steward was pretty much with me up till round 10 he even pissed of Lampley. At round 11/12 i had to cut to a PR stream so no commentary i could understand but still.

Im not biast Towards either fighter if anything i probably favoured Cotto due to his wars with Marg/Mosley and Torres and had seen a lot less of Clottey. But for once the Compubox figures really told the story, people will point to the Cut. It was probably a big factor, still it wasn't like Cotto had started well or anything barring the flash knockdown..

[BennyST]

its 4am here in the states but im finally going to bed, PM me what you thought of the fight. the reason why i say this is because it will be next to impossible to find your topic when all the biased haters and lovers get on here and plague the board with a bunch of crap.

Will do mate. Ciao!

[BennyST]

I'm not doing punch counts or anything but Compubox isn't foolproof, they have been off with their numbers before and they could have been wrong in this one.

This fight felt like the Campbell-Funeka fight for me, I had the feeling that Funeka had won the fight against Campbell but when I looked at the scorecards, I had Campbell winning, I had a similar feeling for this fight with Clottey in Funeka's place and Cotto in Campbell's.

Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. I would not normally even bother thinking about them and they are always going to be slightly off somewhere. Nonetheless, I was still surprised by the difference in numbers as that is quite large.

Anyway, with my slow computer it will be about another nineteen months before I end up seeing it. Hey mate, tell us what you think if you watch it again eh?

I see what you mean about the Funeka fight though. That was really hard to score and I also thought that Funeka might have pulled it out by I still had Campbell winning in the end too. Interesting. Maybe it'll be the same with this one. Damn slow internet!

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Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. I would not normally even bother thinking about them and they are always going to be slightly off somewhere. Nonetheless, I was still surprised by the difference in numbers as that is quite large.

Anyway, with my slow computer it will be about another nineteen months before I end up seeing it. Hey mate, tell us what you think if you watch it again eh?

I see what you mean about the Funeka fight though. That was really hard to score and I also thought that Funeka might have pulled it out by I still had Campbell winning in the end too. Interesting. Maybe it'll be the same with this one. Damn slow internet!

I'll probably watch it again in about an hour, I'll see what I can catch in the second go round.

One or two things I caught in the first go round.

I thought that Cotto's defense looked slightly better but not airtight, he was closing his elbows up instead of leaving them open, thus leaving himself open to uppercuts. He did stop doing it as the fight went on though so it's not second nature to him yet.

I thought his right hand was improved early on in the fight but I kinda stopped thinking that as the fight went on.

There were moments in this fight that looked a lot like Margarito-Cotto, especially in rounds 8 and 9 and some of 10. The difference in this one was that Clottey wasn't forcing Cotto to throw as many punches as Margarito did, had Clottey forced the pace, he could have stopped or slowed down Cotto a lot for the last 2 rounds.

Clottey won rounds while being economical, which was a really good thing but he still seemed to fade a bit in the last couple of rounds, worse than Cotto IMO, but this might change after viewing it again.

Clottey's jab was more effective than Cotto's even though he abandoned it sometimes and he definitely landed the cleaner, more head snapping shots and landed the better body shots but as you know boxing is scored on a round by round basis.

Cotto also looked confused and troubled by Clottey's tight, high guard for a little bit in the middle rounds.

And I thought the knockdown in the first round was more a balance issue, I don't think Clottey was really hurt but it was a knockdown nonetheless.

Anyways, I'll see what else I can glean from rewatching it.

The fight is worth waiting for. Hang in there Benny.

[BennyST]

One thing I do find very frustrating about Cotto is his defense. He obviously has the ability to be quite good defensively, but allows himself to do some very silly things in there that should be second nature for him not to do, like laying on the ropes, not clinching, having an overly high, ear muff guard, that allows uppercuts to get through.

I mean for a guy that fought Judah, Margarito and Clottey, the one thing you would have expected him to at least try to fix would be his defense for uppercuts. Each guy has a very potent uppercut and for Marg and Judah it is really their main weapon, while Clottey also throws really nice uppercuts inside.

It seems he moves too much as well. I find watching him running across the entire ring while exhausted highly frustrating, he really needs to learn how to step to the side, grab and then walk to catch a bit of a rest. Bad habit.

I've noticed that a lot of people are saying that Cotto only seemed about as fast as Clottey and that it surprised them because they thought Cotto was fast. The funny thing is it seems they think that Clottey is slow or something, when he is actually a very fast fighter too. Good handspeed.

The other thing I wanted to say was how surprised are you with all the "Cotto sucks, he would get demolished by Pac and Mayweather!", as if Clottey was some pile of tripe to be squished? Very weird. Apart from Clottey's terrible habit of stopping punching when he really needs to, he is without doubt one of the most skilled fighters around today. Maybe Cotto didn't look his best but who ever does against someone as good as Clottey, especially with that type of style that he has.

[Doctor_Tenma]

I couldn't possibly give Cotto the last two because he ran. Clottey was chasing the guy around, no different from DLH's running against Tito in the late rounds. Can't understand how anyne would give the last 2 to Cotto, not to mention, Cotto didn't land much.

[BennyST]

I couldn't possibly give Cotto the last two because he ran. Clottey was chasing the guy around, no different from DLH's running against Tito in the late rounds. Can't understand how anyne would give the last 2 to Cotto, not to mention, Cotto didn't land much.

Now that's an interesting point. So, was it like the Tito/Hoya fight? Was Cotto running a lot the last couple of rounds without landing much? If so, then that is bad news for the PR fans. The ultimate fight between Tito and Oscar in which everyone bitched about Oscar running and that being the reason he lost in controversial fashion, could it be that Cotto did the same thing here, but won instead!?

So....was it seriously Cotto running the last couple Soy? Was it about even in the last couple in terms of punches landed or what? I saw Atlas mention that Oscar lost the right to complain because he ran in the last rounds, and yet he said that Clottey lost the right to complain about the decision because he didn't punch enough, yet he never mentioned anything about Cotto running too much. One thing I do remember about Tito/Oscar was that really Tito hardly landed anything as well because Oscar was moving around so much.

Hmmm, the plot thickens.

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One thing I do find very frustrating about Cotto is his defense. He obviously has the ability to be quite good defensively, but allows himself to do some very silly things in there that should be second nature for him not to do, like laying on the ropes, not clinching, having an overly high, ear muff guard, that allows uppercuts to get through.

I mean for a guy that fought Judah, Margarito and Clottey, the one thing you would have expected him to at least try to fix would be his defense for uppercuts. Each guy has a very potent uppercut and for Marg and Judah it is really their main weapon, while Clottey also throws really nice uppercuts inside.

It seems he moves too much as well. I find watching him running across the entire ring while exhausted highly frustrating, he really needs to learn how to step to the side, grab and then walk to catch a bit of a rest. Bad habit.

I've noticed that a lot of people are saying that Cotto only seemed about as fast as Clottey and that it surprised them because they thought Cotto was fast. The funny thing is it seems they think that Clottey is slow or something, when he is actually a very fast fighter too. Good handspeed.

The other thing I wanted to say was how surprised are you with all the "Cotto sucks, he would get demolished by Pac and Mayweather!", as if Clottey was some pile of tripe to be squished? Very weird. Apart from Clottey's terrible habit of stopping punching when he really needs to, he is without doubt one of the most skilled fighters around today. Maybe Cotto didn't look his best but who ever does against someone as good as Clottey, especially with that type of style that he has.

Definitely, he did the same thing in this fight, he failed to clinch when it was smart to do so and used a lot of wasted movement when he was backpedaling in rounds 8 and 9. I was screaming at my screen for him to use smart clinches around that time.

He does seem to be trying to stop those uppercuts from getting through though, even though Clottey got through will more than a few when Cotto's defense lapsed. Cotto was closing his elbows early on which was pretty much the first thing I noticed in the fight.

I agree with you in the last 2 points. I thought it was common knowledge that Clottey has good handspeed, it seems like a lot of people thought he was a slow lumbering guy like Margarito.

And it was definitely weird hearing the criticism for Cotto, I mean he's got to be at the top of his game to beat a guy like Clottey, but at the same time Clottey will make him look vulnerable because he's a really good fighter and would make a lot of people in the division look vulnerable and bad.

And no Cotto was not running like DLH was, Cotto was actually throwing punches, something I like to call boxing.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Now that's an interesting point. So, was it like the Tito/Hoya fight? Was Cotto running a lot the last couple of rounds without landing much? If so, then that is bad news for the PR fans. The ultimate fight between Tito and Oscar in which everyone bitched about Oscar running and that being the reason he lost in controversial fashion, could it be that Cotto did the same thing here, but won instead!?

So....was it seriously Cotto running the last couple Soy? Was it about even in the last couple in terms of punches landed or what? I saw Atlas mention that Oscar lost the right to complain because he ran in the last rounds, and yet he said that Clottey lost the right to complain about the decision because he didn't punch enough, yet he never mentioned anything about Cotto running too much. One thing I do remember about Tito/Oscar was that really Tito hardly landed anything as well because Oscar was moving around so much.

Hmmm, the plot thickens.

Yep, he ran and didn't throw, clearly losing the 2+ mins of the round and then trying to steal it. Clottey outlanded Cotto by 43 shots, landed 1 less job, threw 100+ less, landing at ahigher percentage and landed the much cleaner shots. Clottey did alot better then I expected, it was a great 6 round fight, then around the 7th and so on, it became BORING to watch, not Clottey's fault but Cotto's fault.

People are giving Cotto respect for going the 12th with a bad cut, well Cotto didn't fight, he didn't throw anything...he moved way too much, I was really pissed because Clottey was chasing his ass around and I knew Clottey really wanted to get a piece of him. Just disgusting to watch and to think this was my dream fight.