Hypothetical situation here fellas.....

**El Jesus** · 06-14-2009, 05:30 AM

You need to watch it, if you do, youll see that most of cottos offense was completely ineffectual on clottey, clottey was landing more often and with far more accuracy. When cotto flurried he looked busy, but hardly ever landed anything meaningful. Clottey at one point in the fight was tatooing him with uppercuts and right crosses. Cotto stayed in there like a true champ and handled adversity, i really respect that, but i dont feel he won, i dont think simply throwing punches and not landing is enough to win a fight. With one judge scoring it 116-111 clottey had no chance from the get-go. I think fighting cotto at MSG like that, more fighters will likely lure him into vegas.

**The Surgeon** · 06-14-2009, 05:31 AM

Originally posted by BennyST

So, I haven't seen the fight yet, but by all accounts it was pretty close with some saying Clottey won and some saying Cotto won and other that it was a draw. One thing that it seems as though everyone has said is that if Clottey had won the last two rounds clearly he would have won the fight.

So, do you think if he had won those last two rounds he should have been given the decision?

Now, hypothetically, if he had won those last two rounds, he actually still wouldn't have won according to the judges. He would have just gotten a draw. So, what's the deal? A lot of people are saying Clottey won and a lot are saying he didn't do enough in the last couple of rounds but even if he had won those easily he still wouldn't have taken it home.

Sounds interesting hey? I gotta get the fight and watch it now. Hopefully Clottey gets another chance because he damn well deserves it! Clottey vs Mosley or a rematch with Cotto. Either would be great.

Got the note book out ready to score the fight again at 1pm!

On first watch i think Cotto nicked it by a point possibly 2, if Clottey won the last two then he'd have done it

**BennyST** · 06-14-2009, 05:37 AM

Originally posted by El Jesus

You need to watch it, if you do, youll see that most of cottos offense was completely ineffectual on clottey, clottey was landing more often and with far more accuracy. When cotto flurried he looked busy, but hardly ever landed anything meaningful. Clottey at one point in the fight was tatooing him with uppercuts and right crosses. Cotto stayed in there like a true champ and handled adversity, i really respect that, but i dont feel he won, i dont think simply throwing punches and not landing is enough to win a fight. With one judge scoring it 116-111 clottey had no chance from the get-go. I think fighting cotto at MSG like that, more fighters will likely lure him into vegas.

Hmmm, interesting. Sounds good. I guess with him fighting with the home court advantage Clottey was either going to have to really beat the ****e out of him or at least drop him.....sheet, he may have even needed to stop him to win. Arum is a little desperate to get him and Pac together I think.

Still, I find it interesting that even the big Cotto fans have said that if Clottey had won the last two clearly he would have won the fight and yet, it wouldn't have mattered if he had. He still would have been screwed. Just shows you how corrupt boxing can be. While not taking anything away from Cotto, because it sounds as though he did brilliantly, sometimes it just makes you wonder if one guy can ever win unless it's so obvious that doing so would just be insane.

I'm getting the fight now, so we'll see. I just hope Clottey can get another big shot after this. Hopefully getting that exposure will at least get him another shot because the one thing this fight will have done again, is show that he is not one to take lightly and that you have to really take the risk of fighting him. Kind of makes it easier to avoid him, which is sad.

**Silencers** · 06-14-2009, 05:38 AM

You have to watch the fight, I'm sure you'll like it.

I'm one of the guys that had Cotto winning the fight, I gave him the last 3 rounds where I thought he stole the 10th and won the 11th and 12th because Clottey was just following him around not throwing punches, had Clottey won the last 2 then for sure he would have deserved the victory and it would have been a legit robbery had he won the last 2, he would have deserved the decision as it was with him losing the 11th and 12th so he definitely would have deserved it had he won the last 2.

I think he would have won 114-113 on one card had he won the last 2 and walked away with a SD.

I can see 7-5 for Cotto, I can see 7-5 for Clottey but I don't think either one of them won 8 rounds of the fight so 116-111 was a little ridiculous, 115-112 was OK.

**El Jesus** · 06-14-2009, 05:40 AM

Originally posted by Silencers

You have to watch the fight, I'm sure you'll like it.

I'm one of the guys that had Cotto winning the fight, I gave him the last 3 rounds where I thought he stole the 10th and won the 11th and 12th because Clottey was just following him around not throwing punches, had Clottey won the last 2 then for sure he would have deserved the victory and it would have been a legit robbery had he won the last 2, he would have deserved the decision as it was with him losing the 11th and 12th so he definitely would have deserved it had he won the last 2.

I can see 7-5 for Cotto, I can see 7-5 for Clottey but I don't think either one of them won 8 rounds of the fight so 116-111 was a little ridiculous, 115-112 was OK.

This is probably the first time i have ever disagreed with you, i feel that cotto didint do enough to steal the 10th with just one punch when he himself was getting the fight taken to him that round. Clottey IMO won the 10th and 11th.

What gets me isnt that cotto won or clottey lost, its just that clottey was never going to win, it was never his fight to take in the 12th, it wouldnt have even mattered.

**Silencers** · 06-14-2009, 05:45 AM

Originally posted by El Jesus

This is probably the first time i have ever disagreed with you, i feel that cotto didint do enough to steal the 10th with just one punch when he himself was getting the fight taken to him that round. Clottey IMO won the 10th and 11th.

What gets me isnt that cotto won or clottey lost, its just that clottey was never going to win, it was never his fight to take in the 12th, it wouldnt have even mattered.

There's a first time for everything.

I thought he remained even with Clottey throughout the 10th but landed those 2 big left hooks right before the bell to steal it and I felt Clottey just didn't do enough in the 11th, he landed his fair share of shots but I think Cotto outboxed him from the outside.

Yeah that was a shame, I was thinking whoever won the last round would have won the fight but that didn't end up being the case.

**BennyST** · 06-14-2009, 05:49 AM

So, another thing I found interesting was the punch stat numbers. Normally I don't really look at these as any big thing, but, in this case you have Clottey landing 222 to only 179, with a much larger connect % of power shots and only one less jab.

What's the deal there? That's a pretty damn high amount to end up losing with scores of 116/111 and 115/112.

Man, hurry up and download!

**El Jesus** · 06-14-2009, 05:52 AM

Originally posted by BennyST

So, another thing I found interesting was the punch stat numbers. Normally I don't really look at these as any big thing, but, in this case you have Clottey landing 222 to only 179, with a much larger connect % of power shots and only one less jab.

What's the deal there? That's a pretty damn high amount to end up losing with scores of 116/111 and 115/112.

Man, hurry up and download!

its 4am here in the states but im finally going to bed, PM me what you thought of the fight. the reason why i say this is because it will be next to impossible to find your topic when all the biased haters and lovers get on here and plague the board with a bunch of crap.

**MOTHER DUCKER** · 06-14-2009, 05:52 AM

Originally posted by El Jesus

You need to watch it, if you do, youll see that most of cottos offense was completely ineffectual on clottey, clottey was landing more often and with far more accuracy. When cotto flurried he looked busy, but hardly ever landed anything meaningful. Clottey at one point in the fight was tatooing him with uppercuts and right crosses. Cotto stayed in there like a true champ and handled adversity, i really respect that, but i dont feel he won, i dont think simply throwing punches and not landing is enough to win a fight. With one judge scoring it 116-111 clottey had no chance from the get-go. I think fighting cotto at MSG like that, more fighters will likely lure him into vegas.

Pretty much tbh the crowd reaction to his flurries which didn't hit much reminded me of Floyd vs Dela Hoya, i bet that lame ass 116-111 got a boner for these ineffectual flurries.

To the thread starter i had Clottey Up by a round with 2 rounds to go i said in one of the threads he needs to win these 2 big or he wont stand a chance to win. He won one of them and lost the 12, so i had him 2rounds up, like many people said he wouldn't win a UD or SD. Even if the had won those last 2 rounds that's him only being 3 rounds up on my card, most likely they would give to Cotto.

You only have to listen to Lampley's nut huggery, it being PR day and the crowd to understand why. Clottey had to score a ko or a pretty much 10 out of 12 round dominance over Cotto to get a Victory that night. I wasn't a fan of his before last night but i certainly am now and will be watching him closely in the future..

If anything fights like these should have a * over them

Hypothetical situation here fellas.....