Two questions concerning Quartey/Ayala

[JAB5239]

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. I thought he absolutley beat Vargas as well..

With all due respect, how did you have Quartey beating Vargas?

[JAB5239]

I've never seen them... how should they have been scored?

Yeah, I have heard a lot that Ayala was a super classy guy as well.

I thought Adams deserved the decision in the first one. Ayala clearly won the second.

[Fox McCloud]

With all due respect, how did you have Quartey beating Vargas?

I was kind of curious as well... I thought Vargas controlled him pretty handily.

I thought Adams deserved the decision in the first one. Ayala clearly won the second.

Thanks for the info.

Did you see Ayala's first loss against that Japanese titlist when he lost on a TD in the 5th round or so (which is probably the most excusable loss, especially for a pressure fighter, since they come on late).

[JAB5239]

I was kind of curious as well... I thought Vargas controlled him pretty handily.

Yeah me too. In fact, it very well may have been Vargas's best overall performance as a pro, imo.

Thanks for the info.

Did you see Ayala's first loss against that Japanese titlist when he lost on a TD in the 5th round or so (which is probably the most excusable loss, especially for a pressure fighter, since they come on late).

Never seen it. Was it stopped due to a cut, or something else?

[Fox McCloud]

Never seen it. Was it stopped due to a cut, or something else?

Pretty sure it was a cut. I think there was some sort of controversy about it... Ayala didn't even recognize it apparently when asked about his record. I think they talked about that during Ayala-Tapia I.

Side note: I thought Ayala-Tapia I was a pretty lame fight for getting FOTY. It was one of the only times that I've been watching an FOTY, and have just been praying that it hurries up and gets over.

[P4P GOAT]

Quartey got robbed against both De La Hoya and Forrest. Had he not he'd surely make the HOF. Quartey truly ducked no one, and was dominated by no one. Very under rated fighter.

But his fight against Winky wasn't all that significant since he didn't have a remote chance of winning and Winky didn't have much to gain from beating him.

This is true. There is no question in my mind that he deserved both decisions over DLH and Forrest.

[savorduhflavor]

Quartey also beat Oscar. And that was a robbery. That was no "close decision that could have gone either way", it was a flat out robbery. I don't see how anyone could come to any other conclusion. I love Oscar, but I was watching that fight wanting to give rounds to Oscar but round after round I just couldn't do it. DLH won 3 rounds in that fight, MAX.

[P4P GOAT]

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With all due respect, how did you have Quartey beating Vargas?

Yeah i dont see that either, he beat DLH and Forrest but i thought he lost a close but clear decision to Vargas, if that makes any sense

[Heru]

The question is who had a better career, not who deserved more wins. Ike Quartey does not have 2 official wins over fighters the caliber of Johnny Tapia and 2 more wins at a higher weight class over Bones Adams (who is the caliber of Quartey's best wins).

It's pretty close though as to who was a bigger win. What sets it apart is Quartey is a top 5 win on Wright's resume, Ayala isn't on Morales'.